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While it is true that there are red dot sights available to Coalition forces, the majority of gunfights between the two forces usually end up being 4x scopes vs Iron sights. Majority of the time when you are a insurgent and pick up dead enemy rifleman kit, it's usually one with the acog.

Quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_C ... l_Gunsight

"In October 2005, the USMC planned on having 115,000 ACOGs in inventory[12] and according to Pendleton News the ACOG is issued to "most" forward-deployed Marines."

I believe the gameplay would be more fun if the norm was ironsights vs ironsights.

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Lord Jesus wrote: the majority of blabla usually end up being 4x scopes vs Iron sights.


Majority of the time when you are a insurgent and pick up dead enemy rifleman kit, it's usually one with the acog.

I believe the gameplay would be more fun if this was the norm.

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Competitive Pr = Irons

Pubbing = Scopes


Plus, didn't you just say it would be MORE fun if it was 4x vs irons.. which you said it was anyway.


I'll assume you mean always getting irons? >_>

Agree with above. Iron sights or red dots are superior to scopes in almost every scenario.

Dev1200 wrote:Competitive Pr = Irons

Pubbing = Scopes


Plus, didn't you just say it would be MORE fun if it was 4x vs irons.. which you said it was anyway.


I'll assume you mean always getting irons? >_>

I was saying ironsights vs ironsights engagements would be more fun than 4x vs ironsights, which is the current norm.

Well, Jesus, Its up to situation when you need scope or iron/red dot. The guys in US service can chose (I guess) beetwen scope or iron. They just taking scopes because the real firefight are in range and its the main advantage for the over insurgents, because we know, they dont have much scopes on there wepons, so they are getting nailed from range. In PR you chose iron because in close range you will suck with scope and the advantage of ACOG in PR is not so big over the irons/red dots. So yeah, I prefer medic with iron sight because its nice. (sometimes red dot is nice as well)

And yes, what Deviant is saying - its complete true

Lord Jesus wrote:I was saying ironsights vs ironsights engagements would be more fun than 4x vs ironsights, which is the current norm.

ah.


Well it is. However, I like having 1-2 acog (elcan susat, what have you) in my squad, depending on map and what I'm doing.

But mostly ironsights. You can aim up faster, faster movement, clearer vision.

Depends on the map & situation.

If you're moving over the mountains in Kashan, I suggest ACOG, if you're moving through a town then I suggest Iron Sight.

A mixture is usually best, to deal with any situation.

You can chose what scope you use ingame, so we shouldn't remove acogs completely. if the real military uses them, why should we not?

Anyway, EoTech is where it's at.

In America's Army 3. There is only one Squad-mate that carries the Acog, and it's the designated marksman role. Isn't AA3 the official videogame created from the US military itself?

Lord Jesus wrote:In America's Army 3. There is only one Squad-mate that carries the Acog, and it's the designated marksman role. Isn't AA3 the official videogame created from the US military itself?

Yes it is, but that does not mean its 100% realistic, After all its a game. The DEVs have numerous military personnel who im sure would tell you that 99% of front line units have scopes.

gazzthompson wrote:Yes it is, but that does not mean its 100% realistic, After all its a game. The DEVs have numerous military personnel who im sure would tell you that 99% of front line units have scopes.

On the contrary, they have buis

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Once BUIS are in (IE mosquil finds the code under a giant heap of development awesomeness ), I'll be using ACOG 99% of the time. However, you don't see many killflash around ;P

I cant back this up but haven't a fair few of the troops that use an ACOG switched to the ACOG which has a red dot on top for if the need arises. Isn't there also an EOtech which has X4 magnifier which folds over behind the holograph to make it a X4 holographic sight (not sure if used)

In real life I would presume soldiers don't need sights for CQB, because they have an instinctve feel for where the gun is pointing. And if they need them they can always use the notches on top of the Scope.

in PR it's not as instinctive to fire accurately without a sight on screen, hence the CQB/Ironsights.

Surely this whole discussion is a little silly?

Mosquil does have alternative iron sights working, by the way.

I remember some people said that the british army made scopes standard issue, so there are not iron sights.

Wait for PR Vietnam, I expect few sights in that, maybe sights just for marksman and snipers.

Conman51 wrote:I remember some people said that the british army made scopes standard issue, so there are not iron sights.

Wait for PR Vietnam, I expect few sights in that, maybe sights just for marksman and snipers.

I have a feeling PR is gonna die out when BF3 comes out

Conman51 wrote:I remember some people said that the british army made scopes standard issue, so there are not iron sights.

USMC now as well has started issuing RCO(ACOG) on all M16s and we only qualify on the RCO in training. They come with backup iron sights just to the rear of the RCO mount but are said to be last resort. We did the qualifying course of fire with the back up irons, but more or less just to say we did it. We dont even get issued the M16 carry handle(that houses the rear iron peep sight) anymore here at TBS.

Lord Jesus wrote:I have a feeling PR is gonna die out when BF3 comes out

Just like PR died when Cod4 came out?
Or when MW2 Came out?
Or BF 2142 came out?
Or when Black Ops came out?
Or when ARMA II came out?
PR wont die to BF3....
but who knows maybe MW3 will kill PR?
or maybe ARMA III?
PR wont die.

But for PR BF2. Scopes probably will not be reduced. If your looking for long drawn out firefights with iron sights just wait for PR Vietnam.

To me it seems that IRL the best scenario is ranged... however, in PR this is incredibly different when View Distance is so limited and maps are normally small and geographically restricted.

AA3 as an example is poor since it is basically an arena shooter.

Conman51 wrote:Just like PR died when Cod4 came out?
Or when MW2 Came out?
Or BF 2142 came out?
Or when Black Ops came out?
Or when ARMA II came out?
PR wont die to BF3....
but who knows maybe MW3 will kill PR?
or maybe ARMA III?
PR wont die.

But for PR BF2. Scopes probably will not be reduced. If your looking for long drawn out firefights with iron sights just wait for PR Vietnam.

Maybe, but if BF3 is moddable, I'm sure someone will steal all the PR ideas of this mod and make a clone of it for BF3. PR on BF3 engine would be incredible.