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And probably all pistols, but yea, are they too weak?
I'm sure I've seen a topic on this before, but I can't find it in search.

Pretty much, decided to snipe a little on Kokan over the last two days, and I have found that they seem to be really too weak. I'm firing 7 or so shots, point blank (about 1m), and the only time that they die is if one bullet hits their head. What? Surely that many shots would put a soldier out of action, even with armour?

Please don't go off topic raging about sniper usage on that small map, both times were in cache defense (sniping pilots on landing for the win ), and had SL permission

piepieonline wrote:And probably all pistols, but yea, are they too weak?
I'm sure I've seen a topic on this before, but I can't find it in search.

Pretty much, decided to snipe a little on Kokan over the last two days, and I have found that they seem to be really too weak. I'm firing 7 or so shots, point blank (about 1m), and the only time that they die is if one bullet hits their head. What? Surely that many shots would put a soldier out of action, even with armour?

Please don't go off topic raging about sniper usage on that small map, both times were in cache defense (sniping pilots on landing for the win ), and had SL permission

No Us body armor stops MOST ak rounds it will still hurt like a b*tch and break bones but it wont penetrate the armor depending on where it hits.

piepieonline wrote:... but I can't find it in search.

Why is this always the start of threads?

maniac1031 wrote:No Us body armor stops MOST ak rounds it will still hurt like a b*tch and break bones but it wont penetrate the armor depending on where it hits.

This post is very vague. Do you mean that it stops one 7.62 round and after that is pretty much susceptible to them?

Is he talking about the Makarov or the Scorpion? also shooting pilots on landing is NOT cool.

@Badger: Huh? He was being pretty clear. The body armor worn by US troops is strong enough to stop most AK rounds, although it isn't a 100% safe method, hence not all, but most. He continued to elaborate that even though the bullet was stopped, the impact would still remain a very painful experience, with possible internal injuries due to the (by the armor merely bluntened) force of the impact. He also said that the place and direction of impact may influence the lethality of a round; body armor doesn't cover all of the body, and not everything to an equal degree.

Obviously, a piece of body armor that was hit by a round and stopped it, will be, at the point of impact and probably around it, damaged and prone to further hits. But the front of a piece of body armor being hit by a bullet will not make the back of it any weaker, obviously.

@Maverick: Makarov I thought. The Skorpion pwns.

Spec_Operator wrote:@Badger: Huh? He was being pretty clear. The body armor worn by US troops is strong enough to stop most AK rounds, although it isn't a 100% safe method, hence not all, but most. He continued to elaborate that even though the bullet was stopped, the impact would still remain a very painful experience, with possible internal injuries due to the (by the armor merely bluntened) force of the impact. He also said that the place and direction of impact may influence the lethality of a round; body armor doesn't cover all of the body, and not everything to an equal degree.

Obviously, a piece of body armor that was hit by a round and stopped it, will be, at the point of impact and probably around it, damaged and prone to further hits. But the front of a piece of body armor being hit by a bullet will not make the back of it any weaker, obviously.

@Maverick: Makarov I thought. The Skorpion pwns.

You're right. I was assuming a thing or two.

@maniac1031: Ok, thanks.

@TheComedian: People on this forum seem to eat you if you don't search and find it, so I guess it's a way of trying to avoid that fate?

@Maverick: Makarov. Also, the pilot that I shot wasn't landing in main, just out near the cache.

Thanks all for the quick response!

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I tend to agree the pistols are too weak. But, I think the main problem lies in the ability to get shot while still remaining combat effective. In real life if you were being shot with a pistol, even if it was in your body armor, you aren't going to be shouldering your rifle and aiming, you would be on the floor rolling around in pain.

Of course this would go for rifles too, but one rifle round is usually enough to put someone into the black/white status, so there is a notable consequence to being shot. But, with the pistol, the damage is so little that it's like a mosquito bite, annoying, but nothing more.

It's worse in other video games like Badcompany where you can literally start firing at someone, have them turn around and kill you because their weapon deals out more damage than yours.

badmojo420 wrote: I tend to agree the pistols are too weak. But, I think the main problem lies in the ability to get shot while still remaining combat effective. In real life if you were being shot with a pistol, even if it was in your body armor, you aren't going to be shouldering your rifle and aiming, you would be on the floor rolling around in pain.

False. Being shot while wearing modern body armor with ceramic plates is generally not painful at all. Watch this video: (skip to around 2:10)
This guy gets shot by 7.62x51 and doesn't even flinch. There have also been stories that US soldiers in Iraq/Afganistan didn't even know they got shot until after a battle because they didn't feel the hit on their body armor.
A pistol round would do much, much less.

I say they are quite good, maybe a bit underpowered, but no biggie.

Tiber2ic wrote:False. Being shot while wearing modern body armor with ceramic plates is generally not painful at all. Watch this video: (skip to around 2:10)
This guy gets shot by 7.62x51 and doesn't even flinch. There have also been stories that US soldiers in Iraq/Afganistan didn't even know they got shot until after a battle because they didn't feel the hit on their body armor.
A pistol round would do much, much less.

Best first post on the forums ever.

I'm more effective with pistols than any other weapon inside 20m. Headshots are highly desirable, so is practising with them so that you hit the shift delay perfectly every time and achieve a good rate of fire. The damage isn't a huge issue if you're anticipating where the enemy is going to be and putting shots on target before they start firing, which afaik is much easier to achieve with the deviation code the way it is using pistols.

I'm a huge advocate of pistols. A lot of my most memorable moments have been absolute Jason Bourne shit with pistols against very stacked odds.

Oh. Always use the sights with pistols. Always.

isnt that vest on that video one with multiple "layers" like the "dragonskin" kevlar vest?
I doubt that you would still stand on your feet if youre hit by a 7.62 bullet at this range... because after seeing some reports and the video about Juba ... well the one guy that survived had a kevlar west, had many broken bones, his chest was dark blue and he was simply knocked down by the bullet, and i guess the sniper was about 100m or more away, and Juba did use a simple Aks 74 or something similar.

Well, i think, according to physics, that bullet will give you the same punch (generally) as it gives to the guy that is firing it.
The problem might be that the guy on the recieving and is not expecting it (unlike the guy in that video), so he might have problems withstanding the punch

I'm not going to pretend to know how effective body armor (the type issues to frontline troops) is at stopping the blunt impact of the bullet. Maybe it's more effective than I think right now.

Either way, that's not really relevant to the question. Taking into account more effective armor, we'd have to nerf the pistol even more.

@op: aim for the legs same goes for marksmen, if you aim for the legs an SVD could score a i hit kill if you're lucky.

You also have to take in to consideration the amount of adrenaline going through your system in a firefight.
a lot of soldiers have taken hits in the arm and not noticing it before someone points out that they are wounded.

And all of this is relative from soldier to soldier, some drop right down in shock, while some guys continue the fight

Its offtopic, but after the other vid I haaaaaave to post it

Notice how the guy in the first video stuffed magazines between the armor and his chest? @3:45

I just find it difficult to believe soldiers get shot in the body armor, develop huge nasty looking bruises, but yet they don't feel it? It doesn't hurt?

I can believe that getting shot(not in the body armor) with a rifle round might be hard to notice until you realize it. But, that's because it punches right through you. With armor, a small part of your body is taking the full force in order to stop that bullet. I don't see that going unnoticed.

eh, slightly off-topic, but OP: you do know that pipi means "piss" in quite some languages? though with piepie you probably mean two pies, it's for some european languages like dutch and german the phonetical way to write pipi.

other use of pipi: je doit faire pipi (fr/be), pipi machen(ger.), pipi doen(du/be), meaning I need to take a leak in french and to take a leak in german and dutch.
don't mean to disrespect but this makes piepieonline quite hilarical, just that you know