Suggestions for small arms

[zordja]

Hello Esteemed PR team. let me tell that iam proud of you and honoured by your work sofar but i do have many things to tell you that you could improve for the next patch/release

G3A3
primary weapon for MEC

Damage outpout per projectile - Realistic

Rate Of Fire - Realistic

Projectile Velocity - Realistic

Recoil - Unrealistic
Reason: too much

this weapon got far too much recoil than it should be lowered to that so it is perfoming like the m16A2 or M4 = smoother blowback

this is an analysis i have made
as i some days ago took my own army version of the G3 and testfired
the recoil i faced then was merely there, just an almost unnoticable risening of the gun

you want to know why the G3 only has an 20 round magazine, well it was all to lower the recoil and yet they were still able to increase it's calibre therefore the 20 round magazine is the main of todays G3s

now for an other weapon,
the M16A2

Damage Outpout per projectile - too high

Rate of Fire - could be increased a little

Projectile Velocity - could be increased

Recoil - nothing much to say here Meh you can increase it if you have to adjust it, not by much then

The AKs are sofar good as they are but you must keep in mind that the first AK the AK-47 had an effective range of 300-400 meters

as coming to the british
SA80 / L85 is perfect

the PPSh-41 has 71 drum magasines and can switch firemodes from auto to semi automatic and also should be a bit more powerful and it does have an effective range of up to 200 meters

also for US i suggest you add an new vehicle the M2A3 Bradley
and it would need this setting, 2 Crewmans, 1 driver and one Gunner

it is also custom for many Tanks to now have 30 HEAT and 30 AP shells

and i got an update that MEC will use, an all new Russian tank
the Black Eagle Tank

and the US Also need to have the M113 in as it is still widely used by US and Coalition Forces




that is all for now

[drs79]

I would like to suggest, and I know i am new to the forums, though I have had privledge (sp?) to play PR since .4, and that is to incorporate either rocket or mini gun LBs, or even Cobra's on Jabal. Also Hueys with added M60 guns on all maps that have hueys incorporated would be a plus.

The reason i state this, is because of the AA whether is man pad or stationary AA which is incorporated in the map, and it would be the USMC a smaller plus/tweak when assaulting from either beach. I feel that the MEC should be given the same amount of armor that is already given to them, same with the APCs for the USMC, but with the rugged mountainous landscape and the lack of defenses for the huey which crashes pretty hard, it might make the map a bit more exciting.

The Cobra's could spawn at the get go, and have 20 min intervals, that way they are not constantly spawning etc.....

[killer010devin]

and i got an update that MEC will use, an all new Russian tank
the Black Eagle Tank

I'm pretty sure the MEC is a fictional faction, so what do you mean you heard that they will be using that tank?

[Fluffywuffy]

1) G3A3 and the M16A4 fire different bullets meaning the more power in the back off the bullet the more the recoil.

2) M16A4 is the current gun for USMC. The 5.56 bullet travels faster than the bigger 7.62 bullet.

3) I consider an AK a carbine seeing that the rear sights aren't on the receiver, and it fires a smaller cartridge(the 7.62x39mm)

4) The PPSh-41 is an old WW11 gun so it can't be that accurate also considering that it is a submachine gun.

5) The M2A2 is going to be in 0.8 for the new US Army faction.

6) I think the T-90 is modern enough for the MEC for now.

7) Meh, We are getting the new Stryker.

[zordja]

1) G3A3 and the M16A4 fire different bullets meaning the more power in the back off the bullet the more the recoil.

2) M16A4 is the current gun for USMC. The 5.56 bullet travels faster than the bigger 7.62 bullet.

3) I consider an AK a carbine seeing that the rear sights aren't on the receiver, and it fires a smaller cartridge(the 7.62x39mm)

4) The PPSh-41 is an old WW11 gun so it can't be that accurate also considering that it is a submachine gun.

5) The M2A2 is going to be in 0.8 for the new US Army faction.

6) I think the T-90 is modern enough for the MEC for now.

7) Meh, We are getting the new Stryker.

the PPSh-41 is from WW2 and my explanation of the G3 is accurate

[drs79]

zordja,

you also have to put into account that the G3 you have is cleaned regulary etc, the G3's that the MEC forces have are from the black market and most likely might not be kept to the same degree that you keep your G3......remember Many AK's that are in use are actually copies of AK's and same with G3's i really don't think H&K would sell directly to The Middle Eastern Coalition, they most likely received their weapons through arms dealers or secret arms embargo's. The T-90 fits, just look at what was confiscated and used during the First and second gulf war.

(I hope i do not step on any toes with my post.)

[=WFL= Sgt Bilko]

Last time I looked MEC was supposed to be a professional army. They might get their weaponary via arms dealers but I doubt they buy worn out second hand cheap copies and I'm sure they know how to keep their weapons functional (as in regularly cleaning them).

[zordja]

yup and therefore they shouldn't have old surplus arms cause well even though they aren't real they are a faction to fight with/against.

based on some answers i got we should modernise this faction,(there are some pretty rich countries in the middle east as you know)

so givin them the T-72 or the T-80 isn't just fair.

let the talibans have the T-54 on a non insurgent map.
or at worst the T34/76-85

[MonkeySoldier]

BE tank is AFAIK only made for and by the Russians. I don't see how the MEC faction would get their hands on an experimental tank, let alone receive/ build them in the masses.

[gazzthompson]

g3 with recoil like m16 ??

1. this is not realistic
2. g3 would DOMINATE to the max ! in game. pure dominate.

[zordja]

it's because of the calibers they use.
m16 5.56mm
G3 7.62mm - more power

but well you don't need to change if ya want to cause well the recoil isn't so terrible that you look up in the sky at once.

btw i would am now taking back about the TAVOR and the Merkava, i actually wanted to see them in IDF but i was a bit lazy and didn't put that in sorry for any misunderstanding.

still it's nice to see they are gonna be in.

it also would be nice to see more Automatic rifleman weapons like the Al-Quds
i think most factions do have many configurations for their standard issue rifle including being an extra light Mg.

also in terms of aircraft i would like to see the F22 for US army and/or USMC and the Mig-29.

and btw where is the Mi-24 Hind wich so many of us wants?

also i wonder if the new US 6.8mm Assault Rifle will be in?

plus i read a report that the US is gonna replace the M249 or use it with conjuction with the Mk48 wich uses the 7.62mm that is more powerful and also just a bit heavier than the Mk43.

. the Mk No 4 SMLE Enfield is even today known for it's rate of fire and accuracy i just wonder where it went?, as a sniper you can't kill the guys even when i wait 8 seconds and move as little as possible and i know the shot would have killed him.

lastly i would like to bring up the need for a new SMG for crewman, i my self prefer the MP7 wich has AP rounds, is compact and carry about 20-40 rounds and have semi and full auto.(i'd like to see this for the german Crewman Kit)

WORK HARD BSS YOUR MAKING THIS GAME WORTHWILE PLAYING AND I LOVE YOU FOR IT KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK^^!

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[Tirak]

Zordja,

Stay on your original post topic or I will lock this thread. Nearly everything in your new post has been suggested before and I will not allow you to turn this into a wish list thread.

[gazzthompson]

also i wonder if the new US 6.8mm Assault Rifle will be in?

well, its not used by any US military units ... so no.

[Dev1200]

I'm pretty sure one of the dev's said this.. might have been rhino.. but don't quote me on it.


PR strives for realism, but also keeps gameplay and fun.

The G3 has a lot of recoil because it does (a lot) more damage then the other assault rifles.

There's a graph somewhere on the forums that tells effective range of weapons, their damages/bullet @ effective range.. and that sort of thing. Although I'm too lazy to find it.. please post it if you see it.


The weapons are set up for realism, then tested and fixed for balance.

Also, please have sources to back up your suggestions for realism fixes. PR has military guys, so they know more then anybody without sources.

[Cheditor]

And if by the new 6.68 calibre rifle you mean the M468 barret, i dont believe it has been officially issued to any unit yet, it has just been made. Note im not saying definite sources just what i have heard and seen. (anyone please correct me if wrong)

[zordja]

sorry then sir well then i will just continue suggesting small arms on this thread then.

(note i did my homework on these and it was very tough finding the most realistic and authentic weapons for the factions kits)

here is a nice smg wich is quite unknown in the west but is used by the PLA or Aka Peoples Liberation Army in china
the Type 05 5.8mm


i also suggest a newer version of the G3 for the mec known as the G3A4


or this one could also be in wich is even newer but is now a reserve weapon
the G3KA4


they are all still using the 7.62mm NATO rounds or also known as the .308 Winchester
and all versions are using the 20 round magasine.

if UK should have a new Creman weapon then this is the one in use by them the L22A2 Carbine


lastly there are 2 .50 cal wich might replace the good old and thrustworthy M2HB-QCB
and here they are

the XM312 Machinegun


and the other one called GD LW50MG

now that is all for me

[TempesT]

All the weapons you have suggested above are not vital (I can't comment on the realism side however). I think if you want to see these weapons in game, you are going to have the start modelling them yourself.

[MonkeySoldier]

I got a question for you zordja;
What gameplay effect would these weapons have? With the exception of the looks.

I'll take the G3A4 as my example. What difference would it make for the MEC compared with their G3A3?
I really don't know, do you?

Edit:

Tirak;1001991']Zordja,

Stay on your original post topic or I will lock this thread. Nearly everything in your new post has been suggested before and I will not allow you to turn this into a wish list thread.

I don't think it's smart to post a wishlist (read: pictures of weapons you'd like to see in PR) after he said this.

[zordja]

i am just showing some wich might be nice although those inside already in is good

i just wanna show what might be good to put in but it doesn't really have to be put into PR


i can't demand them to put em in (no one has that right) it's the BSS crews choice whether to pick them or not, i am just giving some more options for them.

and these weapons i did some of these are actually in service with their real life counterpart (well MEC is just fictional)

as told this is a thread to post suggestions for small arms that can be used by infantry
and it is entirely up to the crew in taking one of them found here.

the G3A4 would have a possibly higher recoil cause it is shorter than the G3A3
the same goes for the G3KA4

btw i am now not going to suggest any weapons already suggested and turned down
(meaning i'll look in the sugg proposals and see wich weapon has not been already asked for)

Errare humanum est, ignoscere divinum -
To err is human, to forgive divine

[MonkeySoldier]

No, I asked what difference what they make (with the exception of the view of the weapon) and what advantage would they bring for the MEC.