Growing concerns with PR players.

[Ironfist7997]

I love playin' with the PR kiddies

lol only jokin'

I'm 32 and find that most of the members of PR that i squad up with are pretty good when it comes to being team players and they seem to be of all ages.

It can be a bit of a pain when the smacktards start acting up but they can be of any age, we just don't know. Hopefully as the 'tards start getting bored they will drop out.

It's good to see fresh ppl entering the PR community to get killed... sorry involved.

[CodeRedFox]

You guys sounds like a bunch of old men

Guys every release starts with a influx of new players. Then as time goes on it go back down to a small number. Hopefully after the influx we get a few more PR players that end up extending the life of the mod.

And as far as all the "I hate the kids that play"

I've experienced more bull shit, cry babies, complainers, tard behavior, pissed off players coming from the older age group then anywhere else. So you guys can throw all your "I'm older, I have a job, my package is bigger" BS you want. Your not a better player because your balls have dropped.

If you want to play with mature players, start with you.....first. Younger players will normally fall into line if you take the high road and help them out. And if they dont kick them from your squad.

[killer_01000]

guys what the hell is with all the hate towards younger pr players, all this talk about banning, passworded servers, age restrictions, judging someone by the sound of their voice, i mean come on, i agree playin with older people is alot more fun but lets not try and create an feeling of resentment to younger pr players, judge them by how they perform in the field not by their age and the sound of their voice , some of them might just grow up into the best mature pr players

side note if you dont like hearing children dont play with them

[KingLorre]

As much as a child likes to think they are mature, I can never take them seriously because kids never have to worry about feeding a family, paying the rent... the bills. Everything a kid knows is from their parents and school... and school doesn't prepare you for life. You get an education yes, but the school system doesn't teach you that the world isn't fair. The school system doesn't teach you how to handle emotional situations.

However , and i try not to take your words out of context, has nothing to do with playing PR, and with age bringing maturity. ofcourse i find myself not bieng able to take "childish voices" seriously, but not to long ago i had that meself, and i wanted to be taken seriously, play this game seriously, and have fun. be it with people that are 80 or 30 or what ever age.

I get you older guys wanting to play with eachother, but currently your putting everybody under 18 in the same corner, wich i think isn't justified. As i said in a post before, iv been playing PR for quite a long time. And i think i can speak for more so called "kids of my age" that we have as much right to a good game as any others non? ofcorse theres alot of smacktards, and 11 year olds that just came of xbox live playing GTA4. Wich i think is currently the stereotype that we are more or less talking about right now.

just dont put everybody that is minus 18, in the same corner for that isnt fair for the lads that do want the good games, do follow orders and wich you can have fun with.


(god another wall of text. i should really stop doing thing ...)

[R.J.Travis]

I don't play with people Under the age 20+ I can not stand the voice of someone 10-14 and the attitude of people under the age of 20.

I would suggest strongly get a good group of 3-4 buddy's and only play with them I would not make a Public squad If I was you because you may met 1 person that is team work Minded but you will run into 4 that are not as in 6 members in the squad only you and your medic follows orders.

You will learn what players are like minded if you play in the same server allot it does not take long to see a teamwork minded player vs kids running around wasting assets.

I'm not saying no one under the age of 20 Is a team work player I'm not saying everyone over the age of 20+ are team work players.

I am saying that there are more people over the age of 20 that are team work minded then under 20+.

If you know for a fact that a player is team work minded and needs a squad and you have room ya invite him don't ask his age as its disrespectful is his voice bugs you boot him if he turns out to be selfish and not team work minded boot him, If he is team work minded and a good player remember his name and re invite him next time if he needs a squad.

And Ghost1800 If that's you from .:TheBattleArena:. Where ya been? Have not seen you since 0.6!

[Wallz]

I do agree with people out here, many 'kids' out there are exceedingly immature, and ignorant players. However, not all of us 'kids are'. I my self have been playing online games since I was around 10-11. (15 now).
The reason why I took the path of trying to be as mature as possible in an online game/world and outside, is A) I've grown up around mainly adults.
B) I've seen the immature kids ridiculed about their voices, behaviors and etc.

In a game like PR, I don't think the vast majority of immature, ignorant etc. players would stick..
To begin with, they would most likely get fed up with the initial spawn times for them selves, weapons and etc. I've been in countless games where new players would come in, whine and complain about how the mod is set up, then say how PR is a piece of sh*t and never play again. Then they'd be gone. This is a positive thing somewhat, as it means we do not have to deal with them

Unfortunately some of those players that initially whine and complain about it, do not leave. They continue to whine and complain, pissing off many players until they are inevitably kicked/banned. Although this would take some time, after that initial ban, chances are that their not going to go back.

Now, there are some who stick it out, learn the game, and then reach a level of maturity to be able to play the game. ..

Now, I have to argue, that not all kids saying they are mature is a joke. Well, at least from my point of view.

As much as a child likes to think they are mature, I can never take them seriously because kids never have to worry about feeding a family, paying the rent... the bills. Everything a kid knows is from their parents and school... and school doesn't prepare you for life. You get an education yes, but the school system doesn't teach you that the world isn't fair. The school system doesn't teach you how to handle emotional situations.

What do you think the cutoff for a child is? I would consider my self fairly mature. I'm 15 years old currently and in school.. Although I do not have to worry about feeding a family and raising kids, I have a very demanding job that requires me to be up very early on the weekends (5:30 am), which I work 9 hour shift without a real break. On top of that, play rugby & do track. I know about having to pay things, as I pay for most of my stuff now. Clothes, sports equipment, transportation to and from school, all things that I must look after.



So overall , what I'm trying to say is, although there are many immature kids out there who can potentially ruin the game, I do believe that the community should not put all the blame on people under 16/18. There are probably many other "kids" like my self who are eager to learn, fit in, and act appropriately in the community.

If the community attempts to take in, and teach some of the younger players, perhaps we wouldn't have so many idiotic fools that there are today. ( I'm referring to a large % of vbf2 players & CS players. etc etc).
I believe those players come from playing with older players that act that way. ( Not just 16-18 year olds, but ones that are in their 20's , 30's as well.)

So, lets not judge the player on their age , but how they act and respond in game & too advice/criticism that is provided.

[shellshock]

i think a lot of this has todo with people being new and fresh off of bf2. give it time they will get bored eventually and either start playing right or stop playing all together.

[TF6049]

i wouldnt care if any 3 year olds played pr

ONLY IF

• they are not smacktards (includes wasting assets and lonewolfing)
• dont whine, (i dont want to hear your problems)
• follow orders from CO and SL
• (If they have mics) speak in a understandable voice, i dont care if its squeeky or high pitched so much just be aware and lower your audio input options as needed

other than that, If you can follow this set, I personally encourage all age groups to pr

I am guilty of lone wolfing, though that's my personality. Whenever I can't get my jet (A-10 guy since Al Basrah), I either leave or spot for the jet team. If you can't beat em, join em!

[John-117]

about 32% of players are under you playing age. what amount of the 32% are the people that you don't like.

[USA-Forever932]

I don't play with people Under the age 20+ I can not stand the voice of someone 10-14 and the attitude of people under the age of 20.

I would suggest strongly get a good group of 3-4 buddy's and only play with them I would not make a Public squad If I was you because you may met 1 person that is team work Minded but you will run into 4 that are not as in 6 members in the squad only you and your medic follows orders.

You will learn what players are like minded if you play in the same server allot it does not take long to see a teamwork minded player vs kids running around wasting assets.

I'm not saying no one under the age of 20 Is a team work player I'm not saying everyone over the age of 20+ are team work players.

I am saying that there are more people over the age of 20 that are team work minded then under 20+.

If you know for a fact that a player is team work minded and needs a squad and you have room ya invite him don't ask his age as its disrespectful is his voice bugs you boot him if he turns out to be selfish and not team work minded boot him, If he is team work minded and a good player remember his name and re invite him next time if he needs a squad.

Sorry Travis, but this post is illogical and self-contradicting. You first open up your post by saying that you refuse to play with people who are under the age of twenty. Then you go about to say that you can't stand their attitude. Absolute statement in the first paragraph "You cannot stand the attitudes of players under the age of 20." Then you go and say that not everyone who is under 20 is like that. You also point out, very specifically, teamplayers vs kids running around wasting assets. Yes, I've made mistakes and have lost assets before, but I guarantee that even the best have lost assets. Just because I'm a kid who makes mistakes doesn't mean that I'm not a teamplayer. Maybe I was wrong all along about your post though, I'm a little confused. What exactly are you saying here Travis?

If you only get a small group of people, how are you going to meet new ones? If you only let in one new guy, you're never going to expand through the community. You have to take chances. Forming cliques is something that high school students do (Ironic isn't it?). I'm not insulting your way to play here, I'm just pointing out that it's bad for the community when everyone is already locked and ready to go with these own private group. If the PR community is NOT going to stagnate as it's difficulty grows, we need experienced players with open arms who are ready to lend a hand and teach.

As much as a child likes to think they are mature, I can never take them seriously because kids never have to worry about feeding a family, paying the rent... the bills. Everything a kid knows is from their parents and school... and school doesn't prepare you for life. You get an education yes, but the school system doesn't teach you that the world isn't fair. The school system doesn't teach you how to handle emotional situations.

Oh wow, I'm an idiot. Here I actually thought that games were meant as an escape from the real world. When in reality it's just a place to brag and complain about how your youth is over and how you have to pay rent ant bills and feed your family. Oh well, I guess I'll see you when I'm 35 and just as crusty as you are . Gots to go PAY THOSE BILLS NAO SO I CAN HAS RESPEKT ON VIDYA GAMES! If you didn't notice the sarcasm, I'm pointing out that that comment is completely ridiculous and irrelevant to PR or video games in general. O

You're completely correct! Children can't read a newspaper by themselves, or comprehend current events. All that we can ever learn is from the school system. Sure thing, we all know that all 13-15 year old's can't ever understand 9/11, or crime or tax cuts or foreign relations. Yes, that's all too complicated for us kids who are too stupid to understand or deal with emotions. It's too advanced for us kids who can only learn through school. It's too advanced for us kids who can learn to program and even make the mods that you all love to play so much. Far too advanced, we will only get there once we start working a menial job, feeding a family and paying bills. Such eye opening experiences. Maybe you should talk to Miss. Shepard, co-host of The View. She is a single mom who pays bills, tends to her son/family and doesn't know that the Earth is round. Yes, truly eye-opening experiences that you describe there.

Hello, welcome to the forums.

There's been several threads like these, the problem comes and goes. You can bet when all the kiddies finish school for summer, this problem will get worse.

There is nothing you can do about this, the culprits that you're frustrated with most likely don't visit these forums.

It's comments like these, I tell ya. I've been playing PR since 0.5. I started when I was 13 because I was sick of VBF2's **** and was sick of Desert Combat's extreme fail. I was looking for genuine teamwork. I was sick of all the drunken Adults who thought that no one else cared. Well, they were right save for me. One of those players, an adept Jihad Jeep spammer told me that Project Reality was the way to go for teamwork. I gave it a download and was a noob for a while but I kept listening to players like Danthemanbuddy who helped me learn the game and eventually get better at it. I also did happen to learn over the summer, I had a mic, and I followed orders. I didn't say I was 'mature' or anything like that, I just joined the game and played like I was taught to. Oh yeah, I started after school ended. Most kids will be playing CoD4 and 5 or Halo or something silly like that. Don't punish me just because I wanted to break away from that group, don't punish me because I wanted something with more depth.

honestly if I had my way I'd bar anyone under 18 from playing... but I know that won't happen. Nothing worse than mouthy kids trying to bark orders.

I know it may not go away, sorry for the repeat thread. I just had to vent after last night in the TG server of all places.

Yeah, nothing worse than that. Oh wait, unless the people you're barking orders too can't even tell that you're a 13 year old. When I learned to play PR properly, I lead a serious Armor squad for the first time in a real game. We played as the American forces on Kashan desert leading an early attack on south village to delay the enemy from capping the bunkers so that our team could have a decisive advantage over there. The Armor squad was structured like this:

[quote=""Armor

• Tank1 King(lead tank)
  1. Myself (Gunner)
  2. Anonymous driver
• Tank2 Bishop (Side tank)
  1. Anonymous player
  2. Anonymous player
• Tank3 Knight(Side tank)
  1. Anonymous player
  2. Anonymous player

[/quote]

I organized the squad well, I issued a wedge formation for our attack on south village. When we used good communication to sweep aside many mec tanks, we switched up to a defensive "vee" formation to defend against the counter attack which we held off until squads asked for fire support in bunkers. My squad was responsible for the destruction of several enemy armored units as well as some enemy helicopters. Our tanks often had to return to base for ammo and repairs because the MEC couldn't do anything against our coordination. However, this is not the point I'm trying to make. What annoyed me most was the conversation that went on during one of the lulls in the defense.

• Anonymous crewman: Hey, I just realized it's like 3:00am, what the hell are we doing up?
• Anonymous crewman2: Well, I'm here to avoid all of the kids that come on during the day
• Me: Grunts
• Anonymous crewman3: Well, I'm just drunk so yeah.
• Me: Well, I take some offense to that, being 13 and all.
• Anonymous crewman: Wow, you're 13?! I never thought that I would be taking orders from a minor.

Obviously these aren't exact quotes as this happened during version 6 but you still get the idea of what went on.

NitroViper007;1022624']Sorry to disappoint you but I'm twelve years old and I have a mic, nor do I waste assets, I play fair and follow commander/squad leader's orders where possible...

Hey, at least you can actually follow orders. Good luck trying to order around a group of drunken, high losers who can't even make a complete sentence.

[quote="Bainwalker""]I know, it's more their voices annoy me. It's a small petty thing I have and I know it doesn't matter.

I've seen some mature kids, they still bug me most of the time.

Age isn't the real issue anyways, it's people that don't play properly.[/quote]

Well, I would rather lead a squad of dedicated mountain dew hyped 12-17 year old's who are serious about the game than a group of 35+ drunkards who can't make a complete sentence, much less play properly.

I agree, I curse in this game, I play to have fun and not feel like I am babysitting.

I've never met a kid who hasn't claimed to be "mature" either

In this day and age, do you really think that whatever swears you spout are going to make a difference. I've played online since forever, I've managed not to curse. I've managed to stay literate and respectful while it was the adults who have managed to be rude. I was always the quiet one in the back who was insulted just because of his age. Oh, you want to talk about maturity? Maybe you should have seen the PR community on one of the first mumble nights. I'm looking at you McLuv, jumping around as a Taliban shouting "Balls, Balls, Balls" and "I want my 72 virgins BRAGGH!ALLAHU AKBAR!" Or all of the radio-free-little birds playing ride of the Valkyries and scatman over Al Basrah and Korengal. Honestly, all I see is a group of disgruntled players looking for a scape goat for their community problems. Oh, it's all of the kids who play the game... yeah, it can't be the drunkards or the smack-tards or the griefers or the people who get high and drive tanks out of the mission boundary. Noooo... it couldn't be them.

I've always tried to be a good member of the PR community. I've had good and bad days like everybody else. I've had some good matches, introduced noobs to the game and took on PR wars. I've even brought new tactics to the game and tested them before they were "cool." It really annoys me when I contribute so much of my free-time to a community that I really appreciate being a part of. Only to later have that same community turn around and kick me in the back because they need someone to blame for it's internal problems. Maybe you should try and find a way to stop UAV hackers before you label all people <18 as the cancer that is killing PR.

/END RANT

I can't guess actually, I like to play with clans who generally have adults as members, that's how I know.

So there

Too bad I was a member of TCC for about 8 months. Started when I was about 13, then High school.

So there

[donovancs1]

honestly if I had my way I'd bar anyone under 18 from playing... but I know that won't happen. Nothing worse than mouthy kids trying to bark orders.

I know it may not go away, sorry for the repeat thread. I just had to vent after last night in the TG server of all places.

HEY, i'm 16 and i'm always trying to be a good team player. Hell I get annoyed too but don't take it out on the people around my age who actually try.

[Ragni<RangersPL>]

I guess that maturity comes with age... but it's a different age for everyone of us


I know 16 years old players who are mature and 25 years old players who are not. We can't judge people by their age but It's a fact that older players are more often mature then younger one's.

[Rudd]

Too bad I was a member of TCC for about 8 months. Started when I was about 13, then High school.

So there

too bad I never really play with TCC then aint it (no offense to them, just American Pings)

so there

[justgaming]

some people just join squads so they can have the kit and then leave again,that also decreases teamwork

[Bainwalker]

Like I said, everyone under 18 is defending their right to play the game and claiming to be mature.

I don't care about your positions guys, I don't care you can lay down a wall of text trying to explain yourselves. What I said about maturity had nothing to do with games since I did not state anywhere in my last post it was about kid gamers. It was about kids in general and in taking that post as an insult you just prove my point(s).

As for the guy who has said he doesn't care about the swearing.... I do, why? Because I don't ever want to feel I was the reason a kid started using foul language. Hell if I were a kid again my parents would smack me on the head for using it.

I have no idea why this thread has turned into just a kids vs adults thing, it was about PR players being complete morons. BOTH KIDS AND ADULTS FALL INTO THAT CRITERIA.

Yes, I hope the new players learn, and yes I agree the PR team should take a more active role in encouraging new players to read a manual heavily based on teamwork and asset use.

If I were them I'd create a program that when PR is opened for the very first time it takes you into a manual, and there would be no way to skip this manual because at the end of it before you were allowed to join any internet server the player would have to take a knowledge test. If any of the questions are answered wrong then he/she has to go back and try again. Guess it would be sort of like AA (Americas Army) training... but only text based.

[killer_01000]

i dont really see the problem here

there is only 2 ways of seeing it
- young players pretty much being smacktards (not following orders, soloing/wasting assets)
- young players voices annoying you (kinda dumb)

and theres one magic solution to the problem if it annoys you so much to start a sterotype crusade against all younger players of pr, dont play with them

yes if this gets on you nerves this much then find a new squad or server, i would hope if the server you are playing on has young players being smacktards that admins would kick/ban them

and about the voice thing, unless they are using the mic in a smackytard way (which should result in kick/ban), deal, if any younger mature pr players voices annoy you find a new squad or if your the sl kick them from the squad, im pretty sure if they are mature in the first place they will probably shrug it off and find a new squad

[Wallz]

Like I said, everyone under 18 is defending their right to play the game and claiming to be mature.

I don't care about your positions guys, I don't care you can lay down a wall of text trying to explain yourselves. What I said about maturity had nothing to do with games since I did not state anywhere in my last post it was about kid gamers. It was about kids in general and in taking that post as an insult you just prove my point(s).

Ok Bainwalker, so, I suppose I must be completely immature considering I am able to successfully work in a very demanding restaurant long hours without a break where the next youngest cook there is , at least 25 years older than me?

Now, simply because something insults someone doesn't mean they are immature.
Most of us "under 18 year olds" here are simply trying to get the point across that not all people under 18, 20 etc are idiotic smacktards who simply want to run around tk, waste assets etc etc.

It is a bit foolish to say that everyone under 18 is immature, because you do not know the circumstances that they live in, how they react to different things and etc.
I will say, that most kids that fall into that age category are complete idiots, but not all.

[USA-Forever932]

Has anyone ever played with Psykogundam when he's drunk? Maybe we should have some
kind of anti-alcohol test for whenever you sign in to your online account.

[Noobofthenight]

I've got a really big thing with this, I've been gaming for about 10 years, if not more. So 19 - 10 = 9 ( I can do maths me).

And when bf1942 came out, I wanted to play with the clans, I got a lot of shit cos I was young and my voice was annoying as duck (Hell, still is). I have an empathy with the younger players out there who get stereotyped, but you have to admit there is at least a good positive correlation between age and maturity.

If you are young and join my squad, all I ask, is that you turn your mic down a tad, so I dont loose my hearing!