PR Server Idea

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Those of you not interested are welcome to your views, but I'm not sure that you've actually read the whole thread.

Ive stressed time and time again that its about attitude rather than skill, and that new players are more than welcome. And yes there's a risk that it could become a target of griefers, but hopefully after the 1.5 patch, server crashes from outside the game, and GUID spoofing will be stopped - not many griefers will be willing to pay £5 to get round this - but many players are willing to pay £5 to get away from them.

Its not about being a server for special people (and lets face it - many admins run their servers in that way). Its about having a server with hopefully 100% of the players, playing properly, and in a friendly atmosphere.

I hope that the negative comments are genuine concerns about the idea, and not worries about competition for their own servers or other petty reasons. If some of the main DEVs have serious concerns about this idea, then please say so now, as it would probably mean the server wouldn't get a licence, and in that case Id drop the idea immediately.

Unless enough people post their interest in this thread, the server wont happen anyway.

[BattleArena4]

Every admin should be able to do as he or she wishes inside the scope of the agreement.

We implemented a form of this months ago and it was very fail, this back when we were the #2 server behind TG. My hope is that you will have better luck.

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Every admin should be able to do as he or she wishes inside the scope of the agreement.

We implemented a form of this months ago and it was very fail, this back when we were the #2 server behind TG. My hope is that you will have better luck.

Yeah I know what youre saying. It would take time I think, and would also involve hard cash from myself. I have noticed that the Brazilian servidor server is now almost constantly full nowadays, and that is a passworded server. Im not sure how long it took them to get to that stage, but Im sure the gameplay experienced on that server is better than average. ( Maybe they all speak Portuguese on there, which would help attract players too )

Ideally Id run it for free, and well admined, without the whitelist at first to attract players, but as Im sure you know running a server aint cheap

2 clans have very kindly contacted me about possibly lending their servers to see if it would work, so maybe a test will be possible soon.

[IronTaxi]

I'll only speak personally (I.e. not on behalf of the DEV team)

The major reason I don't play much PR anymore is the "russian roulette" of not being able to get on a reasonably admined server with people who want to be there..

I simply don't have as much time as I used to and need to use it wisely, PR doesn't generate much income for me so it usually gets bumped down the list of things to do..

If I could always get into a well adminned server with real players it would be very attractive. I would certainly be more inclined to play a round or 2 on the weekend

[Orthas]

I understand your main criterion would be the attitude but since there'd have to be some kind of scanning before given the admission in, I see it very likely that certain elitistic reputation will come with time. Another problem I see you might want to consider even more is that I don't think you'll be very likely to find even that 130 persons who would be happy to give you 5 quid for something which might or might not work. First get the server established and if it's gonna be full every night, then donations are much more likely. Another thing you could maybe look into is doing it the traditional blacklist way with getting relatively large group of admins (so that ideally all the time there would be multiple in the server) who would be extremely strict so that if you do anything stupid, you will get immediately banned, much more new guy friendly than whitelist.

Good luck on making another good PR server available.

[cyberzomby]

Now with the 7th page of this thread around I decided to get this of my mind. Ive read this thread a few times now and one thing I cant wrap my head around is:

Theres a lot of people interested in here. They are interested in community's rather than clans, servers with good players and a friendly relaxed atmosphere. It sounds like you dont know about the: tacticalgamer.com, ImGoingIn and ofcourse my own personal favorite: tacteam.org

Now Im not here to plug these servers, and Im certainly not here to flame this idea (altough I do agree that it can very easily become an elitist club) and I wouldnt mind another server like the one above, but I was just thinking: Everyone in favor does know about the 3 servers here right? I dont know what IGI and TG do, but we ([T&T]) are a community, not a clan (so no training nights and this and that), and only admin to make the game enjoyable for the serious/teamwork mindset gamers (suggest that a pilot who'd wasted 2 choppers already should step down for instance), so it fits the profile perfectly.

So from all the enthousiasm in this thread I'm getting the vibe that you cant get what Space is promising currently. Once again: Not a shameless plug, Im just interested in things like this. Once more to keep me away from all suspicions: I would not mind your plan going ahead and getting another server up where you can get this mindset. The more the merrier. Would give players a high chance of encountering good games of PR.

And one point of critique: Whats going to happen to the rest of the players and servers when all the "good and teamwork" oriented players are over here? You want this to be full at all times. So that means a large portion of the good players in this server playing with each other. Instead of spreading the word and gameplay to people who need it. With those I mean the new players.

In the current set-up a new player can run in to a real good teamwork player leading a squad or what ever just as easily as he can run in to a smack-tard. But when we focus all the good ones in one server than theres a much higher chance the new-guy will run in to smack-tards and decides to leave PR.

In my oppinion, if you want to have good organised games, go community match, tournament or set up an event. Keep the rest of your skill and knowledge for the community. We'd all like this game and its community to grow right?

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One more thing I thought off. Getting players on there that where invited or players that are regulars on the elite server might just as well smack-tard up. Ive seen regulars of [T&T] do stuff that I did certainly not expect them to do.

[SqnLdr]

You cannot run a server that is open to new people, but entirely free of undesirables.
It is paradoxial.

The new players and fresh faces are the gem of PR. They may be a better team player, have a sharper wit, more charisma, a friendlier voice, a more tactical mind, a faster trigger finger, a keener eye, a better sense of humour, any NUMBER of good things that make them a valuable asset to your team, as well as a great player to squad up with. There's this bloke called Avvit who I've SL'd a comple of times - every time you say his name he shouts LARGE!. I SLd a couple of scottish lads, one from Glasgow, the other from Edinburgh, and the banter between them was hillarious, and their tendancy to shut up when we were in contact, except for bearings and intel, was perfect.

You haven't got a clue who those blues are - they're just a name until they squad up with you. The true new player may not have much time to play or join a community or clan, they might play one or two rounds a month, and aren't interested in the teacup politics of an internet forum such as realitymod.com. They're up for a good game, a good laugh, and get one whenever they join an actively administrated server and squad up with an SL who names his squad TacTeam, TacInf, EngVoip, TacVoip, TEAMWORK, CakeLie, Jony=FAIL, or any other combination of indicational squad names.

Some of them do stick around, and join the forum associated with their favourite server. They learn when the regulars play, when there will be an admin on. RAF35 is often on our server, always when there's admins on, and never when there aren't. I've squadded up with him as he's a top bloke, but he's never said a word to my knowledge on either T&Ts forum or Realitymod.com

I feel sorry that your server will never be graced with these gems, because in my experience, they're the best players we have.

Of course, there are those that insesently crash choppers, steal kits and don't follow orders. We just ban them. Job done.

/Not interseted

[Hietaa]

I wouldn't see this as elitist if everyone would have the ability to get in. It only prevents smactards joining and ruining the game for everyone. It would still need large group of ACTIVE ingame admins so they can kick everyone who tries to ruin gameplay or change maps to those that players want to play.

As someone already said it would stop the russian roulette when choosing server to join.

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@sqnldr those guys who never post in forums may still be actively folloving them. Look at me i have 31 post but i have been folloving these forums for 2 years now almost on daily basis. Everyone just doesn't want to post in every thread they see. And if the server would have whitelist check there could be URL to the community forums in the kick message those players get that aren't in the whitelist.

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In my oppinion, if you want to have good organised games, go community match, tournament or set up an event. Keep the rest of your skill and knowledge for the community. We'd all like this game and its community to grow right?

Some people don't want that commitment, or the requirement to play at a set time/do training etc. Also from what I've heard (so this could be wrong) the standard even in the events isn't that great.

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One more thing I thought off. Getting players on there that where invited or players that are regulars on the elite server might just as well smack-tard up. Ive seen regulars of [T&T] do stuff that I did certainly not expect them to do.

Ive also experienced this and heard all sorts of questionable stuff on teamspeak/mumble. They do it because they know at worst they'll be told off as theyre part of the "group" These people would be weeded out quite quickly, or as I'm hoping, not do it in the first place, as they'll be no second chances on this server, and no allegiances to clans etc.

Regarding new players - Imo if someone has read and understood the manual, played maybe a handful of rounds, and have a teamwork orientated attitude, then they're ready to join - that's not a very high bar really. Id even be happy to personally run "sign-up" nights with other volunteers, to help new players become members. The server isnt about being an elitist club - Ive stressed that time and time again. Its about a tard free environment and generally having a goodtime and a laugh, but also playing the game properly.

PS: Almost all the negative comments on this thread are from the T&T admins/regular members of that server - I get it guys - you dont like the idea as it "discriminates" - I suggest if you guys feel so passionately about it, then maybe set up a "beginners introduction server"

[SqnLdr]

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PS: Almost all the negative comments on this thread are from the T&T admins/regular members of that server - I get it guys - you dont like the idea as it "discriminates" - I suggest if you guys feel so passionately about it, then maybe set up a "beginners introduction server"

We've got one, it's called Tactics & Teamwork | All maps ...

Please manc - I feel you've got the wrong idea. There's no competition here, I'm just dissapointed that you feel this necessary to have a good game. It's a bit of a kick in the balls for all the truely dedicated server admins out there. Fancy chatting over a beer? How's krobar in picadilly?

[epoch]

I must admit I did completely misunderstood the original post. I have both positive and negative thoughts on this, but at the end of the day it's not breaking any rules, and deserves a chance to see if it will be a success. It will stand, or fall, on it's own merits.

Thinking about it, the chance of a good game where 100% of the players know what to do, and what's expected of them is appealing. You only really get that in tournaments or closed sessions. It's rare to get that in totally open servers, no matter how hard we try. There are several opportunities to have that kind of game within the community, so one more is not necessarily a negative thing.

I'd appreciate no more posts from [T&T] please. Everyone's entitled to their say, but lets not tip the balance here.

[cyberzomby]

Ninja'ed by Epoch!

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only want to say this to clear that up: I really hope that you can pull this off. Not one thing I was saying was meant as a: Tss! you will just take players away. Best of luck with this idea

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I'm just dissapointed that you feel this necessary to have a good game.

Trust me Im disappointed too Doing this will be a major pain in the ***, and probably cost me money, but I cant see a better solution. A well admined server tends to be ok, but people can still do many many things that aren't breaking rules, but that aren't in the spirit of the game, and reduce the fun of PR. I basically want to make a server, that I would like to play on! Just having compulsory mics, and mumble will make the server much more fun - though I apologise for discriminating against those who dont own a mic

And yeah - Im always up for a beer

[Scot]

Also, a lot of the 'Elitism' I feel would not be there, for one simple reason; there are no tags(there aren't are there?!)

If you have tags, you are defined to being 'those people' whereas if you just play on their, you will always know that you are playing with not complete smacktards, and therefore you will have a good round.

Wicca will disagree with me horribly, but I don't play PR nearly as much as I used to, because the effort level needed to have a decent round is too much. If I'm on with DM, then I will never say okay lets all take 3 squads, and then lead like that, half because I don't have as much time as I used to, half because I can't be bothered with people who can't be arsed. This way this sorts my solution a ton, and I can squad up with DM, in the confidence that the people in squads 1,3,4 and 5 will not be retarded, and there will be a certain level of team cohesion.

This will not be like a tourney(which I am in) and the teams won't be as organised, but for public playing, this will be the epitomy if it goes like I think.

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Scot I would hope that you wouldn't even have to squad up with DM - there would be a reasonable standard across the board, and everyone would have mics/mumble. The best squads members in PR, are when you tell them to flank round and there already doing it - when you don't even have to lead very much - and to be fair I do come across this quite regularly in pub games, but there's always one or two squad members, who you notice across the map, who when asked say "oh - Ive got the sniper rifle now - I'm going over here" - they make the difference between you squad being slaughtered or your squad achieving their objective.

I have both positive and negative thoughts on this, but at the end of the day it's not breaking any rules, and deserves a chance to see if it will be a success. It will stand, or fall, on it's own merits.

Thinking about it, the chance of a good game where 100% of the players know what to do, and what's expected of them is appealing. You only really get that in tournaments or closed sessions. It's rare to get that in totally open servers, no matter how hard we try. There are several opportunities to have that kind of game within the community, so one more is not necessarily a negative thing.

Thanks epoch - I have great respect for what you do at T&T and its one of my favourite servers. In fact if you have server space, you are more than welcome to take this idea off my hands and try it.

I suspect that some people are more concerned about their personal feelings towards me for petty reasons, so if you ran it maybe they would stfu - ideally it could be an official PR thing, but hopefully without it needing to become over admined/rule filled - I think if it was official it would certainly help attract more people.

[Psyko]

Asking what kit the squad leader wants is wrong? What is 'pro mode'? Is that like being a 'leet sniper'?

Please don't white list people with this attitude or the server will become a place for elitist jerks and those who want a fun game with experienced players will go back to their previous servers instead.

i have played for thousands of hours, and the things that kill me are lack of communication, and playing with people that i havnt played with before.

To clarify on the kit thing, people in a squad should know what kits are paramount. IF you play a certain way, you are kinda expected to make a squad with the appropriate name so that people of the same synergy join you and the squad works in a cohiesive way(eg:L33T Snipzorz or engtacvoip or defence or whatever). but when a person asks me what kit i want them as it irritates me...the answer should be obvious if you have played as long as i have. and yea, i know im coming accross as an arrogant jerk right now, but im explaining how i feel about it, and im being honust. And a lot of people wont back me up here, but i know they feel like nodding their heads, and they agree with me.

I start a squad and i ask the squad to take Medic and *insert main squad weapon here* then i'll ask the squad members to take whatever weapons they have an affinity towards. then during the battle i might have a low priority kit change to somthing else to reallocate the squad's energy in that direction. (yes i do think of these things ) when i got a squad working, i treat it like a machine with different moving parts, and at some stage or another every squad member during the battle will be tweaked/ordered/manouvered.

I will allocate performance in different areas by reminding the squad members of things (such as, "go slow here" "watch that corner there" "hit the deck" "stop pickin your nose" etc.) I try and keep them focused, i try to minimise redundant information. sometimes if a guy is shouting too much i may even kick him out, but that is extremely rare, i prefare to ask him to keep it down, and i ask in a polite manner...

theres more but i just realised im waffling so ill just sum it up like this. i like experienced players who know the game to play in my squad because they are easy to work with. i dont like noisy people who have no common sense and need every single decision made for them. if you take sniper kit ill tell you to put it back. if you start off with grenadier, i wont care. to be honust, at the beginning of the rounds...what i'v seen in the past is, when a guy asks what kit i want him as, hes the guy who gets into trouble, runs off on his own and starts screaming and shouting for the rest of us to help him when he's getting his *** kicked.

and thats my take on it.

also..sorry for going way off topic

[Mongolian_dude]

Theres nothing wrong with having a spectrum of servers, ranging from more private to more public, more conservative, more liberal. Damn, its how most of our countries economies are run!

I think its better to have the option to play on a more exclusive server. The only other option would be to have public server Admins to be more conservative and generally theres a limit where we start seeing issues.


I think a nice concept would be having a server located in Greenland, Iceland or Eastern Canada, giving players in NA and Europe a fairly decent ping. A nice compromise.
However, im not sure if in practice the availability or quality of servers in these regions will but up to standards or convenient at all.
Thats for y'all to go find out

...mongol...

[|SWE|Grundstrom]

_Very_ interested

Sweden/Europe

[{UK}Suzeran]

Im a asshat when i get drunk but TG seem to allow me to play also i am a registered sex offender (tbagging was my crime) will i be allowed seems like a waste of time just start jdamming all girly servers like bite the bullet omg ppl there go arnd sayin omg this is BF2 with better trextures nade that tank

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Im a asshat when i get drunk but TG seem to allow me to play also i am a registered sex offender (tbagging was my crime) will i be allowed seems like a waste of time just start jdamming all girly servers like bite the bullet omg ppl there go arnd sayin omg this is BF2 with better trextures nade that tank

You can be the server mascot