[Weapon] F88 Aus Styer

[Tonnie]

Actually can you point on the weapon where the pin is? (or even better you do it in that *coughvideocough*)

ah *looks around for escape* what video?

Theres no video everyone! you saw nothing........

[LyRiCs]

ive uploaded a little pic to answer your questions (if i understand it in the right way..)



its the austrian version, but i think this things arent different...
you cant see the triggerunit on the pic, its inside of the stock...

[Tonnie]

ok the image you have posted is the F88c Aus Styer, the following is the Austrian AUG

[LyRiCs]

no different between this 2 guns... only a little bit the color & the muzzle break, and austria have many different versions in use

one with laser sight, laser pointer, night vision, transparent magazine, normal magazine, short barrel, long barrel, bigger magazine (12 shots more).
and of course the color is variable... my AUG was a little bit darker then the one of my colleague...

the gun on my pic, is an STG77 from the Austrian Army.
The one on your pic also!!!
or both from australia... but i know that we have both versions on the pic, in use at our army...

austria´s army had the stg77 (austrian aug) since 1977 in use... since there exist soooo much new versions with little changes in design and triggerunit. One example is the firing pin: in our old versions it has 2 little metal pieces to be handled from the trigger... our new versions have 3 of this pieces...

the "nipple" of the barrel (in german we say "laufwarzen") are very plain and less then in our new version...
you cant see the changes from outside, but if you demount the gun you will see little changes.

i believe that australian f88c is this AUG version, we use as our "new" STG77 version... they are shuffled in our army ^^

We dont have one type of this gun for all of our Soldiers... but i can say, its a really beautiful gun without any recoil XD ok..little bit, but a watergun has more recoil

omg im sry for my english -.-

[Tonnie]

Ok you think that both of those are the STG77 well lets all take a look at the image and then tell me there the same apart from the color... jezz!

Top = F88c Aus Styer (Australian Version!)
Bottom = STG77 (Austrias Version)

[[MPN]Slouch2]

So much win.

[LyRiCs]

ok one first thing.. thats not a conflict - its a discussion...

i can see the different of both guns.

but i can say it one more time: we have both in use.
and even the gas system of our austrian stg77 looks complete like the one in der first pic.

and we HAVE an barrel release stud!!


ive NEVER seen an STG77 in our austrian army without an barrel release stud and with this strange gas system on the second pic...

maybe the version of the second pic is the old STG77 and i dont know them (im 20 years old...) becouse we dont use it anymore? where do you get this second picture?

i really can say that we use the gun of your first picture... only the muzzle break is different of any STG77 becouse you can easyly change it.
Our magazine looks exactly like the one in your first pic - but there we have many different magazine versions...

the only thing i cant say it the design of "rounded/square" aiming unit... i dont know how it looks like exactly.

i really think that the version of the second pic is so old, that i cant know it. i mean, we use this gun since 1977 thats 11 years before i was born xD


edit: our austrian mag realease is also curved.

[Rudd]

ok one first thing.. thats not a conflict - its a discussion...

mate, please state if you are or have been in the armed forces, cuz both Tonnie and Slouch are active/recently active servicemen. Don't doubt their knowledge of these weapons unless you can back it up lad.

On the model front, http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/649/23612675.jpg

why is it green, I've wondered. Hollywood tells me its night vision

[Tonnie]

mate, please state if you are or have been in the armed forces, cuz both Tonnie and Slouch are active/recently active servicemen. Don't doubt their knowledge of these weapons unless you can back it up lad.

On the model front, http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/649/23612675.jpg

why is it green, I've wondered. Hollywood tells me its night vision

Textures WIP mate lol

[LyRiCs]

i never doubt their knowledge...

i dont know the exactly design of the australian f88c but i really know, what gun i used in our austrian army... and this gun of his second picture isnt the gun which ive used for 6 months. I really believe that this one is an old version which we dont use anymore...

what do you mean on the 2 pictures with "trigger pin"? (language problems...)
if you mean that the austrian stg77 has no semi/fullauto mode which oyu can change with the power of pressing the trigger, thats wrong. this works really good

why are you think ive been agressive or try to doubt his knowledge?
my english is very bad, maybe i cant articulate me very good =(

it was never be my whish to have an conflict with you
never!!!

[Qaiex]

Yeah, that picture comparison wasn't biased or anything, tonnie. ;D
Be nice to the austrians, after all, they made the rifle.

This Austrian StG 77 looks more like the australian one.
Same flash suppressor, barrel length, rounded ironsights, barrel release stud and a different gas system.

[Tonnie]

Yeah, that picture comparison wasn't biased or anything, tonnie. ;D
Be nice to the austrians, after all, they made the rifle.

This Austrian StG 77 looks more like the australian one.
Same flash suppressor, barrel length, rounded ironsights, barrel release stud and a different gas system.

I wasnt trying to be an *** or anything, my point is... is that the two pics are two diffrent versions of the original AUG Styer and that he says we use that same rifle as they do wich is not correct as they have many diffrences...

[anglomanii]

zur Lyrik, werden Sie von meinen Mitlandmännern nicht verletzt, wir sind etwas über diese Dinge empfindlich. im wesentlichen sind die zwei Waffen sehr ähnlich, aber innerlich sehr verschieden. es gibt einige Unterschiede im AUSTEYR, den die STEYR-MANNLICHER-Modelle jetzt verwenden.
jedoch sind die letzten Versionen dieser Waffen nicht mehr verbunden und werden durch verschiedene Gesellschaften unter verschiedenen Patenten gemacht.
und verzeihen Sie bitte mein Deutsch, es ist hart sich zu erinnern!

Edit: User was verbally warned for posting entirely in a foreign language. Accurate translations must at least be posted alongside the original message, thank you.

[LyRiCs]

no problem, your german wasnt soo bad i could understand every single word.

i did not mean that the australian army uses an aug which modded by austria...
i think the actual version of the STG77 in my county (austria) is since a long time a new one... and THIS new one, looks very close to the australian one...
i think it was a missunderstood--- im sry for that!!

whatever... its not the same version =)
but very close

austrialians are very "touchy" (i hope its the right word... xD) in this thing... me too ^^
i think, everyone who was at his army, is very touchy in this thing... let us stop the discussing here, the first point was only that i would like to know how firemode switching will be work.

im really impressed about your work and i cant whait to play with the australian version of the AUG.. ok its not the Austrians but its even more the austria-stg77 then a m16


soo... guys im sry for the missunderstanding situation which i created with my creepy english... whish you a nice day, i will follow this thread till we can get the australian army into PR

have a nice day,
greetings from sunny austria @26° Celsius ^^

[Tonnie]

no problem, your german wasnt soo bad i could understand every single word.

i did not mean that the australian army uses an aug which modded by austria...
i think the actual version of the STG77 in my county (austria) is since a long time a new one... and THIS new one, looks very close to the australian one...
i think it was a missunderstood--- im sry for that!!

whatever... its not the same version =)
but very close

austrialians are very "touchy" (i hope its the right word... xD) in this thing... me too ^^
i think, everyone who was at his army, is very touchy in this thing... let us stop the discussing here, the first point was only that i would like to know how firemode switching will be work.

im really impressed about your work and i cant whait to play with the australian version of the AUG.. ok its not the Austrians but its even more the austria-stg77 then a m16


soo... guys im sry for the missunderstanding situation which i created with my creepy english... whish you a nice day, i will follow this thread till we can get the australian army into PR

have a nice day,
greetings from sunny austria @26° Celsius ^^

ok sweet now with all that sorted lol

I am currently redoing some of the styers atm with extra animation parts on chucs request so i will post here with some more renders soonish

[Truism]

The firemode selector, afaik, was mostly introduced as a result of experiences with first generation M16s in Vietnam, for many of the same reasons automatic M16s were phased out in favour of Single Shot/Burst Fire by the US.

Two problems.
The possibility existed that if a soldier was shot while depressing the trigger, he could leave it depressed as he fell, potentially shooting squadmates. A lockout can help prevent this from happening.
The second problem was that not having a lockout can make fire control difficult, particularly with less well disciplined troops. At the moment the ADF maintains very high levels of training and proficiency and is a completely voluntary force, but it was learnt during Vietnam that the assumptions you make about the sort of soldiers you will have need to be flexible because political decisions have the ability to force your hand.


Finally, the Steyr doesn't perform well on automatic at all. I've heard stories about barrels failing from only a few magazines being put through them on automatic. This is aside from the fact that every bullet after about the second or third is going to go somewhere you didn't want it to.

[Tonnie]

The firemode selector, afaik, was mostly introduced as a result of experiences with first generation M16s in Vietnam, for many of the same reasons automatic M16s were phased out in favour of Single Shot/Burst Fire by the US.

Two problems.
The possibility existed that if a soldier was shot while depressing the trigger, he could leave it depressed as he fell, potentially shooting squadmates. A lockout can help prevent this from happening.
The second problem was that not having a lockout can make fire control difficult, particularly with less well disciplined troops. At the moment the ADF maintains very high levels of training and proficiency and is a completely voluntary force, but it was learnt during Vietnam that the assumptions you make about the sort of soldiers you will have need to be flexible because political decisions have the ability to force your hand.


Finally, the Steyr doesn't perform well on automatic at all. I've heard stories about barrels failing from only a few magazines being put through them on automatic. This is aside from the fact that every bullet after about the second or third is going to go somewhere you didn't want it to.

MITHS mate...

The only time i have heard or seen something like this is down at Singleton there was a firefights (training) then afterwards one of the range guys went around and found about 25mags worth of live ammo, he then put about 15 mags thro and the barrel was around 500 degrees Celsius, also melted a plastic part in the bolt group... After the 15 mags if kept jamming cuz the barrel had expanded.... The f88 is quite a reliable weapon if cleaned and maintained correctly (Ohhhh the hrs of cleaning carbon in and around everything oh god brings shivers down the spine)

[[MPN]Slouch2]

The f88 is quite a reliable weapon if cleaned and maintained correctly (Ohhhh the hrs of cleaning carbon in and around everything oh god brings shivers down the spine)

Hahah, you didn't use the old excuse "But they Steyr needs carbon to work, sir!" like we did? Not that it ever worked for us.

But in reference to the single-shot lockout button, if you were ever caught using it in the Battalion for whatever reason you would soon be on the receiving end of a lot of ribbing and mocking

[anglomanii]

correct me if i am wrong ( i have no doubt someone will) but cant you change out the barrel rather easily?

and how does sustained fire (if possible) on the LMG version work. (and yes i know we dont use it)

[gazzthompson]

VERY easy.

YouTube - AUG RELOADS AND BARREL CHANGE

its airsoft, but i assume its exactly the same.