Air burst shells in tanks

[Alex6714]

[badmojo420]

I'm guessing the OP saw the latest episode of helicopter warfare. About a tank & lynx battle in basrah. Where the iraqi tank used air burst shells to try and take down the lynx. I'll try and find it on youtube and post a link.

Alex, sure the helicopter can destroy multiple tanks etc, etc. But that requires them to know exactly where the tank is. Which isn't always the case. A tank in a good position will be a hard target to spot. I don't know how many times i've seen a tank fire a main HE round at a helicopter.

If you rely on your coax or 50cal to take down enemy helicopters your just asking for a quick death. Those both draw a nice glowing line from your tank to the target. Not too difficult for the helicopter to follow it back to the source. A main gun on the other hand is a puff of smoke and then nothing for a little bit. Much more confusing and deadly for the helicopters.

[badmojo420]

I'll try and find it on youtube and post a link.

part 1

[Alex6714]

I don't know how many times i've seen a tank fire a main HE round at a helicopter.

In PR or RL? Helicopter with radar/flir or without?

Remember that in PR everything has the same engagement distance which unbalances things, irl the helicopter doesn´t have to get anywhere near the tanks range.

[badmojo420]

In game.

I understand that newer helicopters can stay way back and fire on tanks. My whole point is that they need to locate the tank before they can even think about firing on him. If the helicopter pilots don't know about the tank hiding in the buildings, trees, rocks, etc, they'll assume that its safe to fly over that area. Then you have a situation where a tank can see a helicopter in range of its gun, but has no ammo designed for engaging air targets.

Yes, the new choppers have FLIR, Radar, etc, systems to find these targets. But at the same time tank crews are being educated to hide in a way to not be detected. I have no objection to these systems being implemented into PR, if possible. But them not being in PR is no reason to disallow anything else to become more effective against helicopters.

[Alex6714]

I wouldn´t mind tanks having it at all. But helicopters are rediculously easy to shoot down at the moment anyway. If it was added in, and even if not, helicopters should have more range and tracking ability on tanks.

[Scot]

this isnt technicaly true the russin t60 i think or summat like that uses them in real life if this quote refers to gameplay then i cant comment, terms of how to implement it u could possiably have the range finder that the driver has by using the right ckick wen u find a range by lookin at it that could be the range it explodes at dnt no if its possiable

I was thinkin thawt tanks should have airburst round in there armement to engage to choppers as this is one of the rounds tanks have

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As long as this is realistic, I'm for it.

[@bsurd]

im against it. Ground forces like tanks and apcs have right now a way to much power against air targets...

Hell with my driver, and im @ the gun i cant count the JETS i shoot down with a tank shell ! And that is unrealistic in the same way a tank shoot´s an ATTACK chopper.

And with the new system of lets say an ah 64 D Longbow there is nothing were you can hide with your tank! Some sattelite pictures, some UAV and stuff like that check the ground b4 the troops get in!

So IRL you were be spotted b4 the chopper lifts of....

And with the gps hellfires there is no spotter and nothing needed. Only a dot on a screen and then a nice new youtube vid...

And ingame now a chopper gunner cant even hit a target when the chopper is on the move. (ok, only if he flys straight to the target, but thats kind of stupid imo, because then you can only wait for the 120mm tank shell boom!)

my 2 cents... Give the choppers a kind of tracking system, and some kind of flir and stuff like that.

And after that talk again about tank ammo for air targets...

[wookimonsta]

I am aware that tanks can use airburst shells. I remember seeing a series called Helicopter Warfare by the BBC (I think). This episode was about iraq, and it was about a Lynx that was almost shot down by a hidden iraqi tank.
To me, this makes sense, an airburst round that required a distance to be set (with the scroll wheel in the way that the small rocket launcher is set in BF2142). I know that the tank driver can get distance measurements in the tanks, and if the tank can set up airburst rounds to explode after a certain distance, this would mean that helicopters have to keep moving. I can't count the amount of helicopters I've shot down because some pilot was hovering it in place for 3 minutes to let his gunner take aim over and over.

However, I think this airburst weapon would be extremely destructive against infantry as hiding behind anything would be extremely ineffective. The tank would simply have to get the distance to what you are hiding behind and pop a shell 10 meters behind it.

I guess this could also work if you could set your heat shells to explode after a certain distance.

[Alex6714]

Well you would just have it proximity detonate with air vehicles really. But I can´t understand why you want helicopters to have to keep moving. I guess you have never gunned in one in PR.

Thing is, I am fine with this as long as helicopters are allowed to track tanks like thay can in real life too.

[Hitman.2.5]

Isnt the BF2142 engine slightly different to the BF2 engine?

[Tomato-Rifle]

I think there is no need, just fix the hitboxes of the helis so when you shoot it with heat/sabot round it actually blows up.

[StuTika]

You're kidding, right?

It's already far too easy to down choppers with the tank main gun. I'm far from a PR veteran, but on Kashan as MEC yesterday I shot down an Apache, a Blackhawk and a little bird in about 10 minutes.

IRL, the Apache would have blown me to kingdom come before I was even able to open fire.

Stu.

[badmojo420]

And with the new system of lets say an ah 64 D Longbow there is nothing were you can hide with your tank! Some sattelite pictures, some UAV and stuff like that check the ground b4 the troops get in!

So IRL you were be spotted b4 the chopper lifts of....

So if a tank is sitting inside a bunker, completely covered. Under say 5 ft of reinforced concrete, with the engines off and cooled. Your telling me the apache has systems to detect that tank inside in a bunker? And theres no way that tank could start up and roll out the door 10 ft and fire a shot off before the apache destroys them?

Don't get me wrong. I'm all fore the attack choppers getting vehicle detection systems. But lets keep things realistic here. No system can automatically detect every vehicle in a radius 'no matter what'. They need a line of sight, or large heat source, etc.

I get the feeling that because of the current conflicts with insurgent forces, in which attack helicopters are flying with very little opposition, people are getting the idea that attack helicopters are some almighty force that could never be hit by AA or shot out of the sky by a tank, or anything. With all their advanced systems and whatnot, the pilot just has to fly around and everything will be dealt with by some computer.

But imagine WW3 broke out tomarrow, and China decided to invade the USA. Do you think they are going to allow UAVs or a couple recon soldiers to get within viewing distance of their tanks? Do you think they'll keep them all nice and grouped together out in the open just waiting for the helicopters to come by and destroy their entire force?

[Alex6714]

Lets think about the video you posted earlier.

1) In the video is a lynx, armed with TOW missiles. That doesn´t compare to an Apache longbow with hellfires (which have double the range).

2) If anything that video reinforces our point. Despite being in range, despite having the element of surprise and despite having airburst the tank still couldn´t shoot the lynx down, and when the lynx found out where the tank was, it was very quickly killed while on the move.

Now try that with an Apache, with radar, hellfires and all sorts of goodies.


Now try the same in a PR situation.

[badmojo420]

Firing a tank round or even an air burst round at a moving helicopter is/would be very difficult in PR. Helicopters are usually shot down while moving very slow or hovering.

And i posted that video to show that iraqi tanks used air burst. The video itself is pretty irrelevant because we don't use that helicopter or the tow missile (from helicopter) in PR.