Poll : Do you think the population play the game the way its intended?

[mockingbird0901]

Well, to putt it that way, fear is the reason i started playing this game.
I hated having OPFOR inf running into my line of fire when I was trying to suppress in vBF2 (witch, for those of you who haven't tried it, DOES NOT WORK) simply because having 6 medics with their l33t G36E running in front of me when I'm firing my PKM at full auto in their direction is just not realistic.

If I can't make my enemy fear me in the game, I tend to get bored.
Shooting down a plane with my AA (witch is fully possible if you just know how to..) and having them go 'oh well, I'll spawn back in 15 sec, and bomb his sorry arse in 30, so doesn't really matter' in stead of going 'F**K!' just doesn't make it worth the effort for me.
That is why I just love PR!
*FEAR ME!*

[badmojo420]

I would say about 50% of the population plays it the way its meant to be played. Using team work, communication, strategy and tactics to create an extremely enjoyable realistic experience.

But, there is nothing wrong with the other 50%, they have fun, period. They don't have time for things like suppressing fire, regrouping with the squad, walking, recovering abandoned vehicles, waiting for a medic, returning to base for resupply, identifying targets, recon, calling for supplies, requesting transportation, providing transportation, etc, etc.

The problem is we're both forced into the same games. Half the people just want to have fun, and half want a realistic game, win or lose, action or not. And the two groups don't compliment each other very well. I know if i'm in a "Just for fun" squad, i really don't have much fun that round. And i'm sure lots of people who only like to snipe have been kicked or verbally insulted after joining the 'hardcore' squads.

I believe the only viable solution to this would be to create a hardcore mode with insanely harsh punishment to people who don't play seriously. 5min spawn times, no asset spawning, etc, etc.

And don't even get me started on the training whores. The people who are in training not just for the lol's, or to try new things, or practice flying, but who are actually trying to play it. Those guys arn't playing PR like it's meant to be played. Not at all.

[Tartantyco]

-Well, I think that it's hard to play the mod as it's supposed to on public servers due to the lack of a common pool of knowledge and the lack of familiar players. You can't employ advanced tactics if people don't know what you're talking about or organize your squad efficiently due to time constraints. The different ways in which SLs conduct their duties also makes makes it more complicated. Once in a while it clicks but it's usually running at 70% or something.

[SSG Jay]

fail way, you already see a problem with commanders, because nobody wants to stare at screen on your screen, this idea will end up same- play 10 minutes, then watch black screen for 20 minutes---->join server, play, die, leave server searching for another round start. Also respawn keeps firefights more intense, simulating that there are more than 64 people on front

players nearly always will play in most effective way which leads to win of the team or high KDR, everybody choose whats better for himself
so if C4ing from choopers, HAT sniping from choppers etc. effective- people will use it


well, whats your way? since you cant lean, put your gun behind corner and other things how are you going to push forward? and if every guy who rush corner, which you were looking at for a while(=minimum deviation), can kill you then something wrong with you

game is
it total: you can't make people to play game "how its intended", you can only give them certain conditions and tools to do something- all other things depends on every separate player

Respect your attempt to demolish my opinion rather than state your own. I stated in my first reply that I am not trying to force nor convince people to play in a certain fashion. But to hear what people have to say about how the general population plays the game.
Now I can understand if you have no respect for that and you just want to be heard attempting to degrade my statements, but keep try finding a thread that is asking for it.

well, whats your way? since you cant lean, put your gun behind corner and other things how are you going to push forward? and if every guy who rush corner, which you were looking at for a while(=minimum deviation), can kill you then something wrong with you

In the event that you do know they are around the corner then I would suggest you do kill them, but in the case that you don't, mainly what i meant, you dont know to fire on them. They rush in, take maybe 2 of your supressive fire and then go prone and take you out. Though this may consist as people develop their own play styles, not the developers. Im not trying to CHANGE that, I just want people to voice their opinions on it.


As well as the commander role, of course the comander role is very limited right now, theres nothing much they can do to fix it, but I don't think, ex that I know, that this had nothing to do with my Threads intentions.

90% of the posters on here are respecting the main idea of the thread but theres always the 10% who rather go off the wall with it out of respect.
Would you mind keeping the thread to it's respectful intent is all im asking.

[DankE_SPB]

Respect your attempt to demolish my opinion rather than state your own. I stated in my first reply that I am not trying to force nor convince people to play in a certain fashion. But to hear what people have to say about how the general population plays the game.

hmm, its discussion, yes? people leave their opinions, answer/argue with others
you asked

Do you think the players of PR are playing the game the way it's intended?

and i responded to it, that most(at least large number)people dont play "how its intended", and explained why they play in a such way, thats all, it has nothing to do with demolishing your opinion

Would you mind keeping the thread to it's respectful intent is all im asking.

chill out, man, i didn't put any offensive words in it, like "you're r-tard you re doing all wrong and why in the hell i should play in a "proper" way when i can just WTFPWN everything" I think i was polite and add here my far from perfect english but you answered in very offensive way for some reason

[McBumLuv]

It's natural selection. Players will use tactics that are the most effective. If what's intended in game is what's most effective, than most of the time it will be done.

For instance, one difference between PR and PR:CA is that the armour is always working in a convoy or formation with friendly AA, and I mean big formations of about 5 tanks and 2 AAs when we only had about 30 players on the server. Why is this seen in PR:CA so often, yet not nearly as much in PR? Because in PR, the relatively small view distance means that single tanks are able to cover most of the map without suffering a big enough disadvantage to other formations to justify the concentration of armour. On top of that, aircraft are now as powerful as their real life counter parts, so unless tanks are supported by multiple AA vehicles supporting each other, they aren't going to last long at all.

That's an example of how PR:CA works as it is intented to by their devs, because they intended for the most realistic tactics possible with the BF2 engine to be implemented. It works, because as in real life, everything is done because it's the most effective thing to do.

As for PR, well I dunno if the Devs wanted players to take tanks alone, or to have players back to their effective fighting capacity within a minute of having a bullet blown through their head, but I know it's done ingame more often than not since it's effective.

[SSG Jay]

Reality puts safety first. Games put the score and the fun first. Like someone said above its all a matter of fear, if you don't fear being killed then you will play like it, so there can be no reality intent until they have something to lose other than their 30 second life which follows a respawn.

By the way the above statement was not a suggestion.

[Small]

If we had total realism on some of these maps no one would play opfor, like on archer, there would be mortar strikes going down nonstop on suspected tali locations, and blufor wouldn't move in until the towns were leveled.

[iAstralProject]

SSG Jay, I respect your posts. you seem like a pretty stand up guy and you definately seem to know your stuff.

My personal take on this:

Their are only a few who I have seen play this game in total accordance with how I've heard it's supposed to be played. Mainly FuzzHead and his buddies. Fuzzhead is one of the main creators of PR btw.

Beyond him I'd say that it's a rare occasion witnessing it or contributing to proper play. Without any way to talk between squads it's tough. Now we have mumble and that is surely helping solve this issue. But still mumble isnt widely used as of yet. Now with the advent of mumble im seeing more rounds where squad assisting squad is more frequent. But all in all I'd say that only about 20% are playing it the way it should, 30% are playing serious while maintaining a fun style of it and the other 50% is still just attempting to fill the cross hairs.

Personally I'd love to be with the 20% but it's tough when you dont have clear communication between the squad leaders you want to assist and many times its hard to pull 2 squads in the same direction without compromising a defense/attack point at some time.

So I'd say I fall in with the 30% but desiring to be on board with the 20%

[Caboosehatesbabies]

When I play PR as a squad leader, I go under the mantra that the less time I'm shooting at people the better, mostly because some combination of BF2's code and my school's network makes it hard to get hits to register.

Anyway, especially on insurgency as the Coalition, I'd rather go the entire map without seeing an enemy, then get bogged down in a huge firefight.

I think the biggest problem with PR, besides being unable to mod the players, is that there is no way to directly communicate between squads without using Chat or teamspeak.

Makes coordinating things difficult.

Another problem is just what the OP mentioned, people get caught up in firefights. Just a few days ago I was playing Qwai river and our chinese team had been pushed back to our second to last flag, and the US had a pretty good establishment on our side of the river, with firebase and everything. So I managed to get some good people in my squad, did a huge flanking maneuver that took out 2 Enemy Firebases and took them down to their last flag before we got swarmed by most of their team. And what has the rest of the Chinese team been doing while we basically turned the tide of the whole game? They're building a firebase out in BFE and trying to hunt down every last US guy instead of defending the flag we just took. So after our squad got wiped out, it took the US all of 5 minutes to retake everything and cap us out. WTF!

Situational awareness is a big thing I find lacking in most of the games I play, people tend to get wrapped up in their own little worlds and don't look at the big picture.

[SSG Jay]

Well forgot to mention, yesterday I was playing on Chicago Hardcore, pretty good server except for when they play Kashan Desert, that map could use some work. But i was playing on the side with their clan, I had made my own squad and had some guys join in. I figured they'd be hard headed usuals who ignore important squad orders and just wander around. Muttrah City is the correct name for the map I believe. But they listened to pretty much everything I said, when i said fallback they moved back like snap motion, medic didn't go around sticking needles in people if I didn't give the ok that the area was clear. Everything went good and we dominated the whole round, supported the other squads, patrolled and infiltrated most of the flags with minimal amount of deaths and the whole time I think the only thing that went wrong out of usual was the APC squad who ran over my entire squad. It really all balls down to coordination, which is something in my opinion players lack as well, disciplined coordination.

Sorry but I feel I have to end every reply I make with this -->. I am not trying to CHANGE the way people play the game. I will leave change to Obama.

[Fenrir07]

I am not trying to CHANGE the way people play the game. I will leave change to Obama.

lol

[Smuke]

i think most people don't play how it's meant to be played, unless they are directed too, but their Sl, friend or so forth. I find APC's thinking there tanks and not a troop carrier, I see squads charging head first round corners and i see a lot of poor tactics, however experienced the player. The problem is, defining 'how it is meant to be played' this could be interpreted as fun, realistic, getting top score? You gotta define it before you can do it.

The problem also is that most people however hard you try, do not want to sit down and read the manual, so they won't understand how it's meant to be played from the word go, but they may learn after time, maybe through a clan, a good sl, or a good server.

I think the way some people have classed how pr is intended to play as being 'tactical' and 'lots of teamwork points', i agree, however you also need to take into account how the people want to play, i think that comes first, maybe they want to have a bit of fun, and play tactically? Basically, you need to know how the game is meant to be played, before you can play it that way, and I think people struggle with understanding how it is meant to be played, because they cant be arsed to read the manual.

[Raptor007]

It seems like it rests on the shoulders of the squad leader to provide an engrossing experience. If I'm in a squad where the SL is devising tactics and frequently giving VoIP orders, it starts to feel very real. If I'm in a squad where the SL doesn't communicate much, then everyone in the squad is sort of detached from the game.

One thing that's definitely lacking is tactical squad advancement. I rarely see bounding overwatch employed, but instead the whole squad tends to sprint in together. It's probably because flag captures are so time critical.

[RHYS4190]

This game can't be really realistic. For example you can't use cover very well you can't lean round corners extra, this makes you very more vulnerable to enemy fire so you have to adapt to that, if the Dev's had more freedom with the engine then yes you could make this game truly realistic. but it not possible, this is about as good as it going to get.


PR game play is not perfect but it better then BF2.

[Darkpowder]

Right now the only glaring problem i see, is that squad-locking is the norm rather than the exception, and there still are some people not using VOIP. Lets give those players who aren't using a mic some assistance, and ask them to post on the forums, or chat to them on x-fire and help them out if they can't get it working.

It's harder and harder for people to exploit the engine. At the moment, the only thing missing is more motivation to heal and revive team-mates. Perhaps there should be more reward outside the efficiency of the squad for assisting a medic to revive someone. Perhaps the SQUADLEADER should be made more responsible for not-reviving team-mates, and penalised. A lot of squads still operate without medics (not for long anyway).

[SSG Jay]

I think that the only play you can put a tag on as closest to realistic gets is the Insurgency faction. They will do backflips while firing if you gave them the space.

[KYA]

now when i like to "just have fun" i go to training servers n fk around there
when im on a real server i do what im suppose to be doing and ppl who like to be total *** hats on major server should go crawl into a corner and die!!!! well maybe not but just go play tag or something with ur little friends out side or go to a training server like i do