Give Insurgents more grapple hooks

[Meza82]

I searched but found no topics about adding more insurgent grapple hooks. please lock if I am wrong.

(*I am aware that collaborators/civilians have grapple hooks)

Insurgents seem slightly under powered when facing US or British forces in v0.85 and in 0.86. The US and British forces have light and heavy armor and gun trucks (all of which can be repaired), scoped rifles, medics, helicopters, rally points, and FOBs (with supply crates, razor-wire, and .50cal mg nests); while the insurgents have none of these.

I believe to make the insurgents more affective in combat, while still maintaining balance and realism, would be to add the grapple hook to either all insurgent regular kits –not for limited kits that spawn on caches- or just to the insurgent Cell leader and IED kits. If only the Cell leader gets the grapple hook that would be good because there are rarely ever insurgent cells (squads) with Cell leaders and this could motivate more organized cache defense. The IED insurgent kit should also get a grapple hook because they are supposed to set up an IED and then find a place with a good view to see approaching enemy vehicles.

Adding the grapple hook would be balanced and realistic because it does not provide more firepower but gives more mobility, hiding places, and map/building access to insurgents, and IRL insurgents in Iraq are all hiding places and locale access. And this allows for more insurgent ambushes against US and British forces, as IRL. This can also allow insurgents to “disappear” from firefights where they are losing by disengaging and dissolving into the environment by grappling over a small wall and escaping. This is guerilla hit-and-run tactics that insurgents use IRL. All this is a realistic metaphor for “home-field advantage” and better “knowledge” of the combat zone that insurgents are supposed to have.

Right now in 0.86, the US and British forces rarely need to look on building rooftops or balconies. I think IRL Coalition forces need to look very carefully at every roof top, balcony and window. As of now, Insurgency game-mode does seem kind of frustrating (although it is a really cool). I think this would help a lot.

[gazzthompson]

agree 100% .

before people say grapple hooks are unrealistic, think of them as a metaphor for being able to kick any door down and go to the roof like IRL.

[steve_06-07]

I agree, some of those balconies make great machine gun nests.

[Jack.DK]

agree 100% .

before people say grapple hooks are unrealistic, think of them as a metaphor for being able to kick any door down and go to the roof like IRL.

This would make gameplay very exciting i think! brilliant idea!!

[503]

Hell yeah. Insurgents on rooftops would sure make the game more fun, realistic, and more tactical.

[Meza82]

agree 100% .

before people say grapple hooks are unrealistic, think of them as a metaphor for being able to kick any door down and go to the roof like IRL.

exactly. its a metaphor which makes it realistic.

do u think all insurgent regular kits should get grapple hooks? or just Cell leader and maybe the IED kits?

[z0MbA]

exactly. its a metaphor which makes it realistic.

do u think all insurgent regular kits should get grapple hooks? or just Cell leader and maybe the IED kits?

ALL KITS. yea i would enjoy moar grapples

[503]

They should all get grapples. Rarely anyone uses the officer or civilian kit.

[Proff3ssorXman]

Agree 100%.

All kits.

[Human_001]

Oh my I remember my self suggesting this topic long time ago. So is many others and everytime people make this thread majority of people agree. YET somehow we are still not getting this. Its been so long since the first suggestion.

I agree 120% on adding grapple hook to EVERY Insurgent kit. Not for giving it in limited number.

Conventional force have no problem. They can choose Enginner kit all the time. (Rifleman Specialist) And isn't in real life these soldiers with shotgun and Crowbar on his/her back there to open the locked door of civilian house? At least thats what I saw in TV and Internet. So for this matter Conventional force is realistic as is.

[DXfan01]

i would love this to be in game specially on a map like korengal...hiking is a major pain

[-=TB=-Tobakfromcuba]

i would like to see this aswell

[llPANCHOll]

Funny thing is, with the limited amount of ladders on maps of late adding the rope to at least one more class would be good. One armed kit should have the rope I would say.

[Meza82]

this should be easy to implement (i think) because it is adding 1 item that is already in-game to another kit. i imagine not a lot of code is needed.

please, devs, all the community say yes to more insugent grapple hooks!

[joethepro36]

So long as there is a slot available for one, there should be a grapple in every insurgent kit. I agree 100% with the OP, one of the biggest problems in insurgency is a general lack of "proper urban" tactics. Insurgents should be everywhere, particulary on roofs and other tactical locations.

[Blade.3510]

its normaly very hard to find a spot to watch an IED or any other ambush so that would be a great idea how ever then there no point in being civi's

[STORM-Mama]

its normaly very hard to find a spot to watch an IED or any other ambush so that would be a great idea how ever then there no point in being civi's

Civilians can still be used as human shields, baits, medics and a way of distracting the enemy forces.

I completely agree with the OP. Although I would prefer to see the grapples being limited to ambushers and squad leaders. Limiting the grappling hook to the squad leaders is a way of forcing insurgents into working as a team, making gameplay more interesting and fun for everyone.

[Sanirius]

I support this idea.

We can't enter every building in PR (yet), and the insurgents, considering it is THEIR city and enviroment, should be able to enter buildings and take advantage of every wall, window, door and balcony that buildings in their city can give them.

The obvious replacement for this, like gaz said, is to give them the grappling hook.

[Lone-Assassin]

Give them all grapples

It then adds the uncertainty of being attacked from anywhere and also gives the Insurgents a realistic advantage whilst not destroying the gameplay.

[Zar2Roc]

Agreed, but contrary to what people say, not for amushers: they are already heavy loaded with IEDs, nade traps, mines, also giving them grapples would result in 99% of insurgent team being ambushers. I'd give grapples only to those ones with AKs, ensuring that teamplay is needed also on ins side.