Supply drop

[Dug]

I was on ventrilo today and one thing I thought about is the supply drop.
So I thought about it.
Lets say the commander gets his supply drop button back again.
And lets put in a plane with supply crates so when he dropes them they get a parachute just like the bf2 one.
Commander would mark the place for the pilot and the pilot would simply drop the crates .

This would requier a new plane who has supply crates.
And a commander having a button for the supply drop.

This would work like this.
Commander presses the button if a squad requests supply drop.
And the pilot gets some kind of signal or so and he just flys to the air and drops them above the targeted position.
To prevent the supply crates from being destroyed when hitting the ground.
Add parachutes.
I haven't really worked this out.
But I think it could be nice in a large scale map.

EDIT: To make it even more realistic make the parachute move , like wind effect and such.
Also if the parachute is shot or damaged in any kind of way it would get destroyed so the crates would fall down.

I don't know if bf2 engine could support this but it's just an idea I had.

[Neo_Mapper]

sounds good, only problem I can see is the size of the plane. I mean it wont be the size of an F-16 or some other jet. So you will have to make HUGE runways.

[Dug]

You got a point there.

[Rudd]

I think this is superfluous since the choppers do this job, as well as logistic trucks. And it would only be useable on 2 maps.

[Dug]

More maps are coming in 0.9
And I think it's quite useful and realistic.
As PR is about reality.

EDIT: We are not talking here as adding them right now.
We are talking about what could be added in the future versions of PR.

[Rudd]

Please source that troops are often resupplied via paradropped supplies from cargoplanes, I would have thought they weren't since it would be less than precise in where it lands.

[Dug]

Well mate they do use cargo planes to resupply.
So why not add them?
Sure the drop won't be accurate but it's useful.
Imagane a squad really far away from their main base where truck or helis can't come.
Lets say you got AAs making it impossible for helis to go over there.
And enough enemies to stop the truck.
What do you do?
You ask for a supply drop from high above.
And the cargo plane is that high it can't be detected by the AA on the ground.
It would be really helpful.

EDIT: Squad is out of ammo or wants to make a firebase.
I do not have the knowladge how do the cargo planes do it but hey it's just a suggestion.
People don't have to like it.

[strima]

Please source that troops are often resupplied via paradropped supplies from cargoplanes, I would have thought they weren't since it would be less than precise in where it lands.

Still happening a lot in Afghanistan. The only source I have is my own eyes as I returned from there last week. Admittedly it doesn't happen that often now as the logistic chain is now well defined and in place but there are still occasions when the Hercs do supply drops in the more remote areas.

You'd be surprised how accurate it is, the days of chucking a crate out at 5000 ft are long gone. Give a grid and the crews can normally get the supplies within a few meters of where you want them if the area is suitable.

With the trucks and helicopters available in PR I personnally think that fixed wing resupply is pointless.

[Dug]

Well today you have people who just leave trucks in the middle of the field and abandon them.
And people crashing helis massively.
You can't leave the plane in the middle of the field.
But you can jump out.
Everyone knows to dump it and avoid negative score you have to land it.
So when trucks and helis are gone.
Cargo plane for the win XD

EDIT: This could be used to drop vehicles too.
But I would limit it somehow.
My idea needs to be worked out >.<

[Darkkas]

Ammm can devs make Hummer supply with parachute then u can drop hummer from plane to squad ?

[Dug]

Maybe a dev should check this out and we should hear what he thinks and if it's possible.
It would be nice tough if you could drop a hummer every hour or half.

[Rudd]

LOL, thread has only been open 1 hour with very little discussion, teh DEVs will comment at their leisure...

There are reasons dropping vehicles etc was REMOVED

Cartillery being one, the gameplay aspect of encouraging transport squads is another.

and again, could you source if Hummers are ever used in that fashion?

[Dug]

Stop acting like that. It's just an idea.
And I'm just suggesting it.

I know about cartilery and that is one of the resons I left bf2 vanilla.


All I was wondering if it's possible to drop a supply crate with a plane.
As I have a friend in the army he said he has seen them drop vehicles.
What sort of vehicles is what I don't know.

Also we are not talking here about commander doing it.
We are talking about a plane who will be able to do it.
The plane will be driven by a player who will use a pilot kit.
Commander would just give some kind of signal to the pilot.

[Rudd]

Thats pretty cool about what Strima said, and you are right, alot of 4k maps are coming.

[Dug]

>.< Imagane a tank landing on you O.o? XD
But anyway it could prove useful.
Also it has it's bad side.
Like the pilot killing with those crates or vehicles.
And the accuracy is something which is questionable.
But lets say that you can load the vehicles inside the cargo plane.
So you won't have assets coming outside the map.
You drive a vehicle inside the cargo plane and leave it there.
Which would lead to players staying in the vehicle.
But the question is , is it possible.



Well good idea but a lot of problems making it real
And ofc it's all up to the devs.

[Not_able_to_kill]

Hmm... PR 0.5 or 0.6 had supply drop, and it was realistic in my opinion, because it started coming down from very high altitude and it didnt hit to the target area always, so, bring back the supply drop!

[Silverlance]

Dug, the part where you say to place a car inside the Cargoplane was already talked about, the problem of that was the BF2 engine, it would see it like a colision between the car and the plane, and it would be giving damage to both, so it's not possible. But they are working (I think/hope so, based just on rumours) on the Chinook, that will be able to drop a landrover or crate! I really hope its true.

About the air drop, well, on PR maps you can almost always request the supplies from a chopper, and the situation you describe, I wouldnt worry about supplys but I would be screaming for heavy reinforcements! =O

About the parachute on the crates or the supply drop by commander, on PR scale it doesnt seem needed, helis can still do that easely.

[Dug]

Dug, the part where you say to place a car inside the Cargoplane was already talked about, the problem of that was the BF2 engine, it would see it like a colision between the car and the plane, and it would be giving damage to both, so it's not possible. But they are working (I think/hope so, based just on rumours) on the Chinook, that will be able to drop a landrover or crate! I really hope its true.

About the air drop, well, on PR maps you can almost always request the supplies from a chopper, and the situation you describe, I wouldnt worry about supplys but I would be screaming for heavy reinforcements! =O

About the parachute on the crates or the supply drop by commander, on PR scale it doesnt seem needed, helis can still do that easely.

As I thought bf2 engine is quite limited.
But oh well.
I hope the chinook thing will work out then.

[spawncaptain]

Lets say you got AAs making it impossible for helis to go over there.
And enough enemies to stop the truck.
What do you do?
You ask for a supply drop from high above.
And the cargo plane is that high it can't be detected by the AA on the ground.

That would only work for COIN maps as any conventionel faction would have 'real' SAMs. The SA-21, for example, has a range of up to 400 km and can go higher than 90'000 feet. No airdrops when any modern SAM is in the area.

[Cheditor]

Dug you are talking about a pilot getting in a plane purely to parachute supplies. IMO thats just stupid, helis and trucks do this job faster, and more efficient. If it was an automated thing where crate appears in mid air and parachute down, it would be better, but that was taken out obviously for a reason.