realism to gunpacks

snipurs · Post by **snipurs** » 2005-01-28 04:16

this topic isnt about whats in them but who can pick them up. i think that i think for true realism that a american shouldnt be able to pick up a ak-47 or w/e because they are not trained in such a manner that they shouldnt be about to fly the other guys stuff. sorry if this is a repeat topic or somthing like it

if anything they should make it like if you pick up the enemy weapon then you shouldnt be able to shoot it like a person from that coutry would as accurate or w/e

snipurs · Post by **snipurs** » 2005-01-28 04:42

what you mean dcr has it about right? lol dont tell me i reposted :O

snipurs · Post by **snipurs** » 2005-01-28 04:53

ah lmao i played that..been a while

Post by TR » 2005-01-28 06:53

I think solodude23 is close on the mark on this.

A rifle is a rifle is a rifle in that if your picking it up off a dead soldier chances are he had the safety off and was shooting it at you. Now reloading, manipulating safeties and all that would just take some experimentation, field stripping is another matter. The Special Forces units routinely train with foreign hardware so they can use these weapons without a hicciup.

When it gets to vehicles and airplanes, yeah that's where definately it gets into the hazy area for them. Although US Armor Units train against look alike foreign nation armor units (and sometimes the actual ones) out there in California I am sure they don't get time to sit down and drive em around, much less fire their weapons.

Malicious · Post by **Malicious** » 2005-01-28 12:16

I think only Spec Ops should be able to fire enemy weapons, and no one should be able to use enemy equipment, except jeeps and such.

Post by **JS.Fortnight.A** » 2005-01-28 16:13

Very good thought there malicious, I've been thinking along the same line, I personally feel that inter-force use of enemy vehicles will be done within reason. So yes, I'll try and see that only those trained to/skilled enough to operate a certain vehicle will be able to do so, seeing as special forces recieve more advanced training in using enemy weapons..

Tacamo · Post by **Tacamo** » 2005-01-31 03:07

I'll have to disagree with not being able to use enemy vehicles including those of a complex nature. A pilot or tanker should be able to use enemy vehicles to a certain degree. Driving yes, but as far as using the actual weapon systems, changing radar modes, etc. things change. Despite their complex computer systems weapons are becoming simpler to use an operate. The increase of first rate weapon systems ending up in nations far from first world standards proves that. They can have an air force full of excellent aircraft and incompetent pilots that can't do much more than fly the aircraft.

snipurs · Post by **snipurs** » 2005-01-31 03:12

i have to disagree for the reason is that even thow your a pilot doesnt mean you can fly a new model or a old model there is diffrences in flying, fuels, lift, and targeting systems, navigation system. which makes just knowing one type of aircraft easy to fly all types immposible. though solo is right you should be able to shot with a enemy rifle but not complex quipment that would other wise take years to learn dont forget that were talking about soldiers that use these weapons in training and everyday life, so to be were they are they have to be battle veterned to some degree so there used to using there own type of equipment

Tacamo · Post by **Tacamo** » 2005-01-31 04:28

Regardless of the complex nature of some vehicles there are certain things that'll remain the same no matter what nation built them. Even though flying a combat aircraft is much more than moving the flight stick and throttle a little bit of intuition and some trial and error would likely be able to get you off the ground in a foreign aircraft. I don't expect the pilot to be able to use the weapon systems since something like properly firing an IR missle off boresight can be difficult for experienced pilots. As stated before they probably wouldn't even know how to get the aircraft's radar into the proper mode. It would be nice to see some kind of handicapping system placed on foreign vehicles, such as reduced speed, lack of manueverability, etc.

snipurs · Post by **snipurs** » 2005-01-31 13:54

wow thats really a good idea handicaping. What in essence that would do would make base camping very hard ive seen to many times my own tanks and jeeps work ageasnt me, and not be there to help me.

i have a qeatoin since were on the subject of tanks and stuff, can we kamazzi

just wondering, since realisticly speaking we as the mec force should have some form of suicide...

Malicious · Post by **Malicious** » 2005-02-01 15:59

I just got an idea. Let's say that the Spec Ops class can use foreign weapons no prob. A normal grunt should also be able to shoot them but when the gun jams they shouldn't be able to fix it. What do you think?

Post by **Wolfmaster** » 2005-02-01 17:20

yeah, sounds good. cause shootin is kinda straightforward and loading to, but ya need to know the weapon to be able to fix it.

Archangel · Post by **Archangel** » 2005-02-01 18:57

I would have to agree (who hasn't already

) First off we got the aircraft. Now most of the people here went striaght to the radar adjustment and weapons and what not, but the last time i checked world powers tend to "code-protect" their equiptment.....so there is another reality that could support the aircraft part of this idea. Tanks are a bit harder for me to prove wether or not they should be locked to enemies, I'm guessing that modern tank computers also have lockout codes, but I would like to warn everyone that if you lock up too many vehicles and what not people will play one side over the other or not play at all, because it ruins previous stratigies and gameplay. I think most people when they think realism think realistic ballistics and vehicle handling ect. I guess my point is, How much realism does this mod want?

Silverwolf · Post by **Silverwolf** » 2005-02-02 21:11

I disagree, yes, to field strip a foriegn weapon would be tricky for someone other then SF, but fixing a jam doesn't really change much from weapon to weapon, and I'm sure if u gave a US Marine a jammed AK, he'd manage to fix it.

Players should be able to use enemy weapons, as the differences are basic enough, working the safety, reloading, fixing jams, n of course pulling the trigger, wouldn't really cause much of a problem.

Vehicles are a different matter however, yes Tacamo, the basic system would be similar, but I imagine there would be many differences between the cockpit of a Havoc n a Cobra, or an Hornet n a Flanker, or a T-90 n an Abrams. Although the soldier might be able to figure out how to drive it, that would probably be bout it, unless the Pilot/Tanker was a veteran who had trained in various systems, and therefore might recognise how to operate the weapons. For that reason, I think u should be able to fly/drive an enemy vehicle, but u shouldn't be able to operate it's weapon systems at all, unless it's something like a Humvee/Landrover.

snipurs · Post by **snipurs** » 2005-02-03 01:02

i would have to to agree jaming is easy to fix my thing is it should make the person gimped cause a marine didnt train he's whole life with a AK so its not like he should be the deadlyest shot with it

starwarsfan11 · Post by **starwarsfan11** » 2005-02-05 02:55

aren't pilots and drivers like trained to use enime vheicals I don't know