Rally point suggestion

[Farks]

In order to really make RP's fallback/regroup positions, it should be required that 2 players of the squad that the RP belongs to are within X meters of it before anyone can spawn on it.

Seeing troops retreating to regroup is very, very, VERY rare even in PR. Players always fight to death, which is unrealistic (but, of course, players are hardcoded). But I think this may provoke some change in that.

[Celestial1]

In order to really make RP's fallback/regroup positions, it should be required that 2 players of the squad that the RP belongs to are within X meters of it before anyone can spawn on it.

Seeing troops retreating to regroup is very, very, VERY rare even in PR. Players always fight to death, which is unrealistic (but, of course, players are hardcoded). But I think this may provoke some change in that.

Not a bad idea. Making the use of a rally more a little more vulnerable is a plus in my eyes.

Would love to see it in action, to see whether there would be any adverse effects.

[Dev1200]

The only time a squad falls back, from my squads anyway, is when everyone dies from an airstrike, grenade, LMG, etc leaving only the squad leader and a rifleman to run back and place the RP they forgot to place

[Arnoldio]

Very nice idea, makes sense.

[Rudd]

I agree, I was astounded when teh squad limits for various actions was set to 2 people total.

[Tarantula]

Thats a damn good idea, why had noone thought of this already? Im backing it

[wookimonsta]

it sounds nice, but it might bring games to a standstill. imagine barracuda if you couldn't spawn at your rally because everyone but one guy died.
also, since we now have somewhat efficient 2 man squads, this change would make their rally useless...

[Masterbake]

Personally I don't like it, because I don't want to spend hours running in again from main base.

The rally points probably need to be nerfed a bit though, I think they should just change it back to needing 3 people. Full squads just aren't needed anymore it seems.

[Jigsaw]

Yeah its not a bad idea tbh, although it has in-fact been suggested a couple of times before in discussions. Either way its something that should be looked at because an RP atm simply isn't a rally point in any way.

[Farks]

it sounds nice, but it might bring games to a standstill. imagine barracuda if you couldn't spawn at your rally because everyone but one guy died.
also, since we now have somewhat efficient 2 man squads, this change would make their rally useless...

Actully, maps like Barracuda are the ones where this would have a positive effect. Right now, USMC squads are usually inserted all over the island, far away from each other because they can live on their RP. With this change, a coordinated insertion of the team so they can create a beachhead would be required.

Personally I don't like it, because I don't want to spend hours running in again from main base.

The rally points probably need to be nerfed a bit though, I think they should just change it back to needing 3 people. Full squads just aren't needed anymore it seems.

There will still be FOB's for everyone to spawn on. And like said, RP's don't function as RP's at the moment. This would change that, and also nerf them as you say.

[Spec]

Sounds good. I like it. Makes the rally point a rally point. Though then, make it harder to destroy again. Knife only should be enough, since the enemy can just shoot the two people and make the rally useless.

[Robbi]

Good suggestion Farks, one of the main reasons I stopped squad leading is because no one would ever fall back if some of your squad had been taken out, this could remedy it.

[Rudd]

Sounds good. I like it. Makes the rally point a rally point. Though then, make it harder to destroy again. Knife only should be enough, since the enemy can just shoot the two people and make the rally useless.

I prefer not having the rock or house that contantly spawns enemies tbh

at the very least being within 50m of the rally with 2 guys should prevent them spawning.

though I personally like the 50m destruction radius since it means its your guys vs their guys, whoever brought more to the fight has the advantage, a fight to the end where each man must stay alive or face waiting in hope in the spawn screen for a rally in the next 2 mins or a minute walk from the safe rally point a few hundred meters away.

Spawning so easily in to the combat feels vbf2 and gamey to me,

[Spec]

I prefer not having the rock or house that contantly spawns enemies tbh

at the very least being within 50m of the rally with 2 guys should prevent them spawning.

though I personally like the 50m destruction radius since it means its your guys vs their guys, whoever brought more to the fight has the advantage, a fight to the end where each man must stay alive or face waiting in hope in the spawn screen for a rally in the next 2 mins or a minute walk from the safe rally point a few hundred meters away.

Spawning so easily in to the combat feels vbf2 and gamey to me,

Yes, sorry, of course enemys in the area should disable the spawning. But for destruction they'd have to be really close imo, otherwise it'd just be disappointing. You've set up a rally point in a place you thought to be safe and some random people walk past it and it's gone... Right now that's fair since you can always spawn there, which is gamey, but if you really had to retreat there first, I think the enemy would have to really find it to get rid of it, as it's more of a place to regroup at than a magic pile of spawn-bags with this change. Though of course it should not be usable when enemies are close so it can't be used as a respawn point while it's being attacked, true.

[McBumLuv]

Yeah its not a bad idea tbh, although it has in-fact been suggested a couple of times before in discussions. Either way its something that should be looked at because an RP atm simply isn't a rally point in any way.

IIRC, it was a Dev (CRF) who actually suggested it, and it was supposed to happen for 0.86 I thought.

Anyways, I heartily agree, this aught to have been implemented last version

Though, if this gets implemented, would it be possible to also make it so that when the enemy is within 50 meters of the rally it's only disabled if there are enough players there to respawn (like FOBs), but if left unattended it'll work like it does now?

Also, the only thing I'd like seeing changed with the suggestion is that it should take 3 regular members of the squad regrouping for it to be spawnable, or 1 regular member and the SL.

EDIT: guddernit, Rudd, that's exactly what I was suggesting It's not even a ninja either

[Rudd]

guddernit

strange Canadian phrase?

[Heikkine]

it could work if the spawn time increaces if there is nobody "rallying" the squad up. like give this spawn time decrease when a certain amount of people are near the rally. that way the rally wouldnt be totally useless if the whole squad gets killed by a apc, grenade, mg etc..
it would prolly make people go rally up rather than die fighting and then spawning. would give a reason not to die with all the rest because getting killed will leave the rally unprotected for a certain amount of time - the time it takes to spawn without anyone rallying.
i think one man is enough or else the 2 man squads might be f*ck'd.

[Roborob]

I like your idea Heikkine, having an increased spawn time when there is no squad member near the RP is great. You can still use the RP instead of running all the way back from main, but still have an incentive to fall back so you can be reinforced faster.

[Jigsaw]

IIRC, it was a Dev (CRF) who actually suggested it, and it was supposed to happen for 0.86 I thought.

Nah, I don't actually know who suggested it but that it came up a few times when there was a big old discussion about it.

Edit, found the 2 main threads on it:

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-general-discussion/57441-convenient-spawns-can-we-do-without-them-10.html

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-general-discussion/57455-players-used-30-seconds-waiting-13.html

[McBumLuv]

Nah, I don't actually know who suggested it but that it came up a few times when there was a big old discussion about it.

Edit, found the 2 main threads on it:

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... em-10.html

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... ng-13.html

THere we go, it wasn't exactly his "suggestion", but I thought his post was the most similar to the one suggested here

And to Rudd, don't be a hoser, eh? Don't make me start talking aboot our special language.