Acoq's and model changing.

[D2v0n279]

I looked up the search and found nothing.

I was wondering. If we to use an animation to take the acoq off the rifle and make it iron site?

Such as...

Your a riflemen with an acoq, but your going into a building. You press 4 and he does this animation were he takes it off the acoq and you can use the iron site of the gun.(depending on what nation you are)

I see animations to pull out bi-pods which make guns with more accuracy? or grenadier pulling out the UGL and I think this could be done.(crossing fingers) Also this would save a space in screen selection and it can take some time to take acoq off so it would not be too cheap?

This is just a discussion and is open for any changes. Oppions or thoughts.



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[Hunt3r]

I looked up the search and found nothing.

I was wondering. If we to use an animation to take the acoq off the rifle and make it iron site?

Such as...

Your a riflemen with an acoq, but your going into a building. You press 4 and he does this animation were he takes it off the acoq and you can use the iron site of the gun.(depending on what nation you are)

I see animations to pull out bi-pods which make guns with more accuracy? or grenadier pulling out the UGL and I think this could be done.(crossing fingers) Also this would save a space in screen selection and it can take some time to take acoq off so it would not be too cheap?

This is just a discussion and is open for any changes. Oppions or thoughts.



^_^

You mean have BUIS on the ACOG, and have a mode where you take off the ACOG and use them 250USD BUIS?

[gazzthompson]

i HIGHLY doubt ANY soldier would do this as you would lose the sights zero making it useless.

unrealistic, and a resuggestion IIRC

[Hunt3r]

i HIGHLY doubt ANY soldier would do this as you would lose the sights zero making it useless.

unrealistic, and a resuggestion IIRC

Well if the ACOG is on a LaRue mount the zero would be the same, with at most a difference of .5 MOA, which isn't enough to notice in PR.

[Rudd]

I'm sorry for ignorance, I assumed it was really hard to just remove attachments like scopes? otherwise they'd fall off during combat?

[nedlands1]

It could be done but you'd have to sacrifice another piece of equipment.

[SkaterCrush]

Still its sort of a useless suggestion because as said before the soldier would lose the zero on his sights, which could take vital minutes to reset. Anyways, each class has its pros and cons, with the ACOG riflemen having reduced effectiveness compared to the iron sight CQC. If you want to do CQC take the an iron sight kit or an Aimpoint.

[Hunt3r]

I'm sorry for ignorance, I assumed it was really hard to just remove attachments like scopes? otherwise they'd fall off during combat?

The mounts that most people buy for their ACOG these days use throw levers.





And with mounts like the ones from LaRue, you can take them off and put them back on with no problems with zero.

[goguapsy]

The thing is that a rifle w/ acog doesn't have ironsights.

[ReadMenace]

The thing is that a rifle w/ acog doesn't have ironsights.

They sure can and do. Any folding BUIS is capable of fitting beneath the rear housing of an ACOG.

As for the suggestion -- even with a LaRue mount, the only time you should be removing your optic in a combat zone is when it's broken.

-REad

[Rudd]

As for the suggestion -- even with a LaRue mount, the only time you should be removing your optic in a combat zone is when it's broken.

So...what do they do when they are entering a building, expecting close encounters? Just do a PR's LMG undeployed scoped in type thing?

[Hunt3r]

So...what do they do when they are entering a building, expecting close encounters? Just do a PR's LMG undeployed scoped in type thing?

They open both eyes.

Then you just get a bright red chevron in your view, nothing else.

[gazzthompson]

So...what do they do when they are entering a building, expecting close encounters? Just do a PR's LMG undeployed scoped in type thing?

just "shoulder" the weapon i would imagin and fire down the rifle, using the ACOG would surely not be possible in room to room?.

[Hunt3r]

just "shoulder" the weapon i would imagin and fire down the rifle, using the ACOG would surely not be possible in room to room.

Quite possible, open both eyes, you'll see a non-magnified chevron superimposed on your field of view.

Your eyes naturally do that.

[Ninja2dan]

They sure can and do. Any folding BUIS is capable of fitting beneath the rear housing of an ACOG.

As for the suggestion -- even with a LaRue mount, the only time you should be removing your optic in a combat zone is when it's broken.

-REad

Both statements are absolutely correct. Most soldiers using the ACOG will have backups, if not just placing the optic on the carrying handle if the weapon is not a flat-top variant. And if you look closely at the ACOG sight base and mount, you'll notice a small sight opening at the bottom. That is to allow the soldier to look under the optic and through the iron sights if his optic fails. The ACOG version that I was issued actually had a small ghost-ring type front and back sight on the top of the ACOG itself, specifically for the purpose of obtaining a rapid sight picture in CQB environments without having to use the optic itself.

And yes, soldiers are taught not to remove anything from their weapon once in combat unless that component is broken. Quick-change optic mounts are designed to allow the soldier to modify his weapon system depending on the mission at hand BEFORE the mission, not during. The only time I would ever suggest messing with optics on a weapon is if you need to add or remove a night optic. And with many of the newer NODS in use now, they can be attached and removed without altering the primary optic.

[D2v0n279]

I'm sorry for ignorance, I assumed it was really hard to just remove attachments like scopes? otherwise they'd fall off during combat?

I actully do not know either? I was just thinking? Well if we can pull a bi-pod out of a gun and use it? Why not take the acoq off and save some space?

[Hunt3r]

Both statements are absolutely correct. Most soldiers using the ACOG will have backups, if not just placing the optic on the carrying handle if the weapon is not a flat-top variant. And if you look closely at the ACOG sight base and mount, you'll notice a small sight opening at the bottom. That is to allow the soldier to look under the optic and through the iron sights if his optic fails. The ACOG version that I was issued actually had a small ghost-ring type front and back sight on the top of the ACOG itself, specifically for the purpose of obtaining a rapid sight picture in CQB environments without having to use the optic itself.

And yes, soldiers are taught not to remove anything from their weapon once in combat unless that component is broken. Quick-change optic mounts are designed to allow the soldier to modify his weapon system depending on the mission at hand BEFORE the mission, not during. The only time I would ever suggest messing with optics on a weapon is if you need to add or remove a night optic. And with many of the newer NODS in use now, they can be attached and removed without altering the primary optic.

If you want to a CQB optic, then either use the ACOG in BAC or have a mini red dot up top that can be mounted on an ACOG.

Works, just not well for point blank. At which point you might as well point shoot.

[Bringerof_D]

I'm sorry for ignorance, I assumed it was really hard to just remove attachments like scopes? otherwise they'd fall off during combat?

ever heard of a quick detach mount? most red dots and compact scopes come with those. you slide it over the rail and you pull the lever on the mount back and it locks in position, the lever is in no way easy to accidentally disengage, you have to pry it out with your fingers not that hard, but nothings gonna be able to catch it and drop your scope when unwanted. also if you attatch it back to the exact same section on your rails, the zero will not be lost it will change slightly but it will not be a significant shift for a rifleman.

but that is not meant for changing on the field, it is meant for changing before missions making it easier. i would however suggest that instead of removing the acog, IRL ACOGs and Elcans those are the few i know, come with regular sights on top of them for CQC the elcan one is essentialy pistol sights where as the acog has a peephole sight. we can use this instead maybe?

[Hunt3r]

ever heard of a quick detach mount? most red dots and compact scopes come with those. you slide it over the rail and you pull the lever on the mount back and it locks in position, the lever is in no way easy to accidentally disengage, you have to pry it out with your fingers not that hard, but nothings gonna be able to catch it and drop your scope when unwanted. also if you attatch it back to the exact same section on your rails, the zero will not be lost it will change slightly but it will not be a significant shift for a rifleman.

but that is not meant for changing on the field, it is meant for changing before missions making it easier. i would however suggest that instead of removing the acog, IRL ACOGs and Elcans those are the few i know, come with regular sights on top of them for CQC the elcan one is essentialy pistol sights where as the acog has a peephole sight. we can use this instead maybe?

Only the TA01 has the peep sights.

The other ACOGs can take a doctor optic.