Well I agree, you cant make all factions the basicaly same'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker;1151764']The leftover Dragons are in a landfill somewhere.
As I said before, boo-f***ing-hoo for them. Other factions in game have the BMP-3, BRDM Spandrel and gun-launched anti-tank missiles. None of which have any direct equivalent in any "Blue" faction, but are very powerful, especially with a good crew. Hell, the PLA makes do in-game with a 120mm bazooka [PF-98].
Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
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Correct i am trained on the M240, AT4, M72, SMAW, M16, M4, M67, Smoke nades, M203, M32, M9, M2, Mk19 and we got plenty of demo classes.[R-DEV]Eddie Baker wrote:
Okay, interesting. So then you "fam-fire" every weapon you might have to pick up.![]()
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
The Javelin would be a nice addition. A question though; how effective is it against modern MBTs? Both the Russian T-90 and (IIRC) Chinese ZTZ-99 have equipment that are able to warn the crews when they are being targeted by a laser-guided weapon. The Russian Shtora (used in the T-90) can send "false signals" to scramble an ATGM (including the Javelin?) and confuse its targeting computer in different ways. It also has the ability to automatically turn the turret towards the source if the laser, giving the crew an idea about where the enemy is hidden and located.
If these counter-measures are as effective as they sound, I see no reason for the Russians or Chinese factions to "Booo-fuckin'hooo".
Unguided anti-tank systems still seem like the best way to take out enemy tanks, not as easy to create your own technology to counter. Lure them into ambushes and hit them where they are weak. Good tactics and brains will always defeat fancy technology.
If these counter-measures are as effective as they sound, I see no reason for the Russians or Chinese factions to "Booo-fuckin'hooo".
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
how does the SMAW work, like a SRAW? can you correct its flight path in flight like the SRAW? is it as effective?
how far does it go before it drops?
how far does it go before it drops?
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Ironcomatose
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
The SMAW is an unguided weapon. Once you fire there is nothing you can do to change its path. I cant really tell you its max effective ranges as i wouldnt want the enemy to use that to their advantage although im sure you cant find it somewhere on the net that is close enough to the real thing.Conman51=US= wrote:how does the SMAW work, like a SRAW? can you correct its flight path in flight like the SRAW? is it as effective?
how far does it go before it drops?
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Claimed Shtora/Arena effects on the Javelin are unproven, as of yet. But if we could actually simulate them realistically in game, which given this engine, I doubt, then maybe they would be relevant. Until then, the only thing they can do is try and get to cover, shoot the gunner before he shoots them, or better yet, have their infantry support do their jobs. LWR only work on laser designators or laser rangefinders, neither of which the Javelin CLU has.STORM-Mama wrote:The Javelin would be a nice addition. A question though; how effective is it against modern MBTs? Both the Russian T-90 and (IIRC) Chinese ZTZ-99 have equipment that are able to warn the crews when they are being targeted by a laser-guided weapon. The Russian Shtora (used in the T-90) can send "false signals" to scramble an ATGM (including the Javelin?) and confuse its targeting computer in different ways. It also has the ability to automatically turn the turret towards the source if the laser, giving the crew an idea about where the enemy is hidden and located.
If these counter-measures are as effective as they sound, I see no reason for the Russians or Chinese factions to "Booo-fuckin'hooo".Unguided anti-tank systems still seem like the best way to take out enemy tanks, not as easy to create your own technology to counter. Lure them into ambushes and hit them where they are weak. Good tactics and brains will always defeat fancy technology.
No. It's just a bazooka. When it starts to drop you'd have to ask Ironcomatose.Conman51=US= wrote:how does the SMAW work, like a SRAW? can you correct its flight path in flight like the SRAW? is it as effective?
how far does it go before it drops?
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Let me just say that isnt far off and it changes depending on the type of rocket being fired.'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker;1151786']No. It's just a bazooka. When it starts to drop you'd have to ask Ironcomatose.
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
As far as I can tell it's just your standard point and shoot dumb rocket. Max range of around 500 metres. Also wikipedia is your friend.

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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Its max range is much further than that although that is close to the max effective for one of the rounds.Jedimushroom wrote:As far as I can tell it's just your standard point and shoot dumb rocket. Max range of around 500 metres. Also wikipedia is your friend.
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
How much zoom does that optic give? if any at all,
So this is kinda like the American version of what China has in PR?
Army wont get this will they?
And the tracer, is that fired from like a side barrel?
So this is kinda like the American version of what China has in PR?
Army wont get this will they?
And the tracer, is that fired from like a side barrel?
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Exactly.Conman51=US= wrote: And the tracer, is that fired from like a side barrel?
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Eddie Baker
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
1. x3.8, or x4 if the ACOG is used.Conman51=US= wrote:How much zoom does that optic give? if any at all,
So this is kinda like the American version of what China has in PR?
Army wont get this will they?
And the tracer, is that fired from like a side barrel?
2. Yes.
3. No, the Army never adopted the Mk-153 SMAW; just borrowed some for testing during ODS. Only the Ranger Regiment uses something similar, the Carl Gustav M3. However, the Army did adopt the single-shot disposable version of the HEDP round used by the Mk-153 launcher, SMAW-D, as the M141 Bunker Defeat Munition.
4. Yes. A semi-automatic, detachable magazine-fed spotting rifle is attached to the right side of the weapon. It is visible in these pics:
http://www.marines.mil/units/hqmc/divpa ... 3C-019.jpg
http://www.marines.mil/unit/24thmeu/Pub ... 07/at4.jpg
The round it fires is a 9mm tracer projectile fitted to a necked up 7.62 x 51mm NATO standard cartridge.
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Ironcomatose
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Im pretty sure the spotting rifle is not bolt action.'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker;1151839']1. x3, or x4 if the ACOG is used.
2. Yes.
3. No, the Army never adopted the Mk-153 SMAW; just borrowed some for testing during ODS. Only the Ranger Regiment uses something similar, the Carl Gustav M3. However, the Army did adopt the single-shot disposable version of the HEDP round used by the Mk-153 launcher, SMAW-D, as the M141 Bunker Defeat Munition.
4. Yes. A bolt action, repeating spotting rifle is attached to the right side of the weapon. It is visible in these pics:
http://www.marines.mil/units/hqmc/divpa ... 3C-019.jpg
http://www.marines.mil/unit/24thmeu/Pub ... 07/at4.jpg
The round it fires is a 9mm tracer projectile fitted to a necked up 7.62 x 51mm NATO standard cartridge.
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
It isn't? Guess I'm one-upped. How is it fed/operated?Ironcomatose wrote:Im pretty sure the spotting rifle is not bolt action.
That tends to be a problem for people outside the US. Those are too big to in-link.Tomato_With_A_Rifle wrote:http://www.marines.mil/units/hqmc/di...-9013C-019.jpg
http://www.marines.mil/unit/24thmeu/...s/2007/at4.jpg
Links don't work.
Wait, did you cut and paste the links? They were truncated by the forum, so that method won't work.
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SkaterCrush
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
I seriously don't see why the Javelin wasn't implemented before. Anyways its seems what sort of obvious to what should happen.
The SMAW replaces the SRAW for the Marines
The Javelin replaces the SRAW for the Army.
I mean I'm not sure how its coded, but the Javelin is also used to attack infantry (sometimes) or buildings (which aren't all destructible). But it seems the SMAW is worse than the SRAW, so maybe just replace both with the Javelin unless the Marines don't use it?
The SMAW replaces the SRAW for the Marines
The Javelin replaces the SRAW for the Army.
I mean I'm not sure how its coded, but the Javelin is also used to attack infantry (sometimes) or buildings (which aren't all destructible). But it seems the SMAW is worse than the SRAW, so maybe just replace both with the Javelin unless the Marines don't use it?
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Well, replacing the SRAW with the SMAW as a heavy anti-tank weapon is an impossibility for the marines; There's no way in hell it packs enough power to put a dent in any MEC or PLA MBT, and is pretty much just a beefed up AT-4 in terms of stopping power against APC's.
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
Ah :d rillserg ONE TWO THREE!![R-DEV]Eddie Baker wrote:It isn't? Guess I'm one-upped. How is it fed/operated?Edit: Yep, quick search reveals it is semi-auto with a 6 round detachable mag.
Damn, now I have to do push-ups . . .
Yes, each rocket case comes with the rocket itself and a magazine with the 6 spotting rounds. Fun fact, the spotting rounds dont really work cause once you fire the spotting round and depress the charging lever and fire you have moved the rocket. Even the slightest will allow you to miss a small target like a technical at 400 meters.
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
it would be pretty funny if they implemented the spotting rifle in the SMAW for pr. people would be trying to shoot bad guys with it lol
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Eddie Baker
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Re: Why are there SRAWs but no SMAWs?
The Marines do use the Javelin, as has already been stated here. Javelin, if implemented, would replace SRAW for both. But as also stated in this thread, the SMAW would be nice for infantry maps.SkaterCrush wrote:I seriously don't see why the Javelin wasn't implemented before. Anyways its seems what sort of obvious to what should happen.
The SMAW replaces the SRAW for the Marines
The Javelin replaces the SRAW for the Army.
I mean I'm not sure how its coded, but the Javelin is also used to attack infantry (sometimes) or buildings (which aren't all destructible). But it seems the SMAW is worse than the SRAW, so maybe just replace both with the Javelin unless the Marines don't use it?
Anyways, this thread has been repetitive long enough, and was a resuggestion to begin with. Going to lock it now.




