Semi serious AH64 (Apache) Suggestion..

[Sgt.North]

Well, I guess i'm about to get slated, but.......

As a little bit of an easter egg / teamwork factor

Can we get a 3rd and 4th position added to the Apache, exterior.... could be good to extract downed aircrews.....



and to stop it being used sneakily, make it only useable by pilot kits (Sorry, no sneaky insertions, or dropping medics off to revive loads of people!)

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[Rudd]

Resuggestion, but I say what the heck why not eh?

the havok etc also have space for aircrew recovery don't they iirc? its a tiny compartment or something.

[BogusBoo]

hm...that would really degrade the realism of PR. plus people would misuse it as transport! no way do i like this suggestion!

[Rudd]

hm...that would really degrade the realism of PR. plus people would misuse it as transport! no way do i like this suggestion!

1) they train to recover aircrew via this methid
2) this method was use to recover the body of a Lance Corporal in the Royal Marines in Afghanistan in combat.
3) The OP did say only Pilot kits would be able to hold on, and no sane pilot would be transporting willy nilly people getting pilot kits at main and then jumping on would be such a waste of the aircraft no pilot would take off with such morons attached.

[Sgt.North]

hm...that would really degrade the realism of PR. plus people would misuse it as transport! no way do i like this suggestion!

If they are locked to PILOT kits only, then they have no offensive capability, as the kit is unarmed...

READ the post!

[BogusBoo]

No, i mean some n00bs would get pilot kits just for transport.

and i know about that stuff too.

Besides, what pilot would want to get on an apache side? that would only be misused im warning you guys.

[Sgt.North]

A few times on Kashan 32 I've seen the AH's workinjg together, and a couple of times I've seen one or two go down, but the pilots get out OK..... then the only real option they have is to 'Suicide' and re-spawn...

This could add an element of fun, and pose the intriguing question of, does the Belo risk picking their teammates up, or just leaving them to die/suicide

[Hitperson]

well i suppose if you want to get your legs shot off you could sit there.

[BogusBoo]

Well, i usually pick them up in tran vehicles not attack helicopters!

[Elektro]

yeah guys use the transport heli or max the LB for a pilot recover but risking the apache for it?

[LeadMagnet]

Seems pretty stupid to risk 14 tickets (10 for the apache and 4 for the pilots) vs 2 for the downed pilots. Let the transport vehicles/helo's do their job and the gunships do theirs. Enough people complain that the apache can't survive as it is without adding this into the mix.

[Rudd]

If a pilot deems it too risky, then he won't land.

But this is Project Reality, we should approach the game in as if each teammate will give his collegues the best chances of survival he can.

[BogusBoo]

Really, i don't think its a good idea. leave it to the transport vehicles and do'nt lose a bloody apache!


Rudd said:
If a pilot deems it too risky, then he won't land.

its always too risky man. thats why they get shot down!

[Rudd]

not always, I've had a few incidences of getting hit, flying back to main, but losing power en route. The pilots are in the middle of nowhere, the 2nd chopper flew back with them and is overhead while the pilots run away from their aircraft which is now aflame. This is the most likely scenario this tactic would be used, either the apache would need to stay there and cover his 2 crashed mates until a trans helo (if 1 is alive and not already tasked) can arrive OR he can quickly get down there and pick em up and go home.

Or he can abandon his teammates. and let them walk home or let a trans helo land without cover.

Giving choices to players empowers them, and gives them oppotunities to work together more effectively, more realisticly and in a way that is more immersive.

[Alex6714]

hm...that would really degrade the realism of PR. plus people would misuse it as transport! no way do i like this suggestion!

If yopu can find me one person that will land his Apache in the middle of kashan to drop off some troops then I will be surprised. If anything "noobs" will be less likely to do it...

[Titan]

To be honest, i dont think its a good idea...
first of i would ask is this kind of troop transport common? with a standart protokoll, how to proceed?
(dont think so, but dont know)

2. the weapons system must be disabled (to stay realistic) , i dont know if this is possible with the engine.
... if it is possible, then i would prefere to stay combat effective and cover a trans chopper.
... if it is not possible, i can imagine Apachie crewed by 4 to have the ultimate look around and spot the enemy mi28.

... you can easily sit on a tank ride into the battle -- enable 6 passangers?
... you can store youre stuff on a tank --- requesting kits from tank?
... a tank can try to pull an other tracked vehicle --- repair crate droped by tank?

[Tim270]

I assume they are trained to taxi people like this out of combat, rather them bring them into battle in such a way.

Also It would have to disable weapons as someone could just sit on the side with a AA or a hat.

[BogusBoo]

Don't "lower" yourselves to the ground troops' level apaches!

[Rudd]

... you can easily sit on a tank ride into the battle -- enable 6 passangers?
... you can store youre stuff on a tank --- requesting kits from tank?
... a tank can try to pull an other tracked vehicle --- repair crate droped by tank?

1) I'm not entirely opposed to that, the difference is that do they do it IRL atm? Also I dont know if when the tank is hit the infantry riding it would be hurt properly? Also, infantry would generally not want to get on the tank cuz 1) its a vulnerable position, 2) the tanks wouldn't ever go to the same location as the infantry want usually. Whereas the Apache suggestion is aimed solely at rescuing downed airmen when appropriate.
2) show me a tank in a combat zone with everyones kit on it in recent years, then prove that its standard practice, and sure.
3) Towing isn't possible at this stage, unless the negative explosion stuff bears fruit, and I don't think a tank can pull another tank anyway unless its already on a road or something?

[Alex6714]

Don't "lower" yourselves to the ground troops' level apaches!

Oh?

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