[Question] MAG58's vs SR25s?

[Sgt.Trip]

we just don't have the big guided missiles that other forces do.

ADF does have Javelins just like other forces, as well as having the 66's (m72) and the 84's (Carl Gustav).


and this i have to agree with
replace requestable marksmen with Mag-58
but also have 3 requestable/limited AT kits....
-Riflemen SRAAW (66mm),
-Riflemen LAT (84mm),
-HAT (Javelin)

Officer - F88 (w.e equipment goes here)
Limited Rifleman Irons (F88 1.5 zoom scope, LAW, w.e equipment goes here) one single 66mm
Infinite Rifleman Scope (1 or 2 extra nades)
SAW (only 1.5 zoom to help with un-Over powering the equipment)
Medic (equipment)
Requestable GPMG (same system used before Squad machine guns)
HAT - (1 round)have this as javelin
LAT - (1-2 rounds) have this as an 84mm

Limit is so you cant have a Javelin and an 84 together.
either the combo of:-
- 2x LAW's, or
- 1x LAW + 1x LAT, or
- 1xLAW + 1x HAT

[Truism]

Eh, we have the Javelin, but AFAIK so do the US Marines and Army, but they don't have it in game either.

If a mechanised enemy ran into a halfway informed ADF infantry platoon it would most likely run into between 25 and 40 66's and two 84's or a Javelin. For fairly obvious reasons every man can't carry one or two LATs each in PR.

Spawn screen:
Limited Officer Irons - F88 w/ 1.5 scope (officer equipment)
Infinite Rifleman Scope (1 or 2 extra nades)
Infinite Rifleman Irons (1 or 2 extra nades)
Limited Rifleman Irons (LAW x1)
Limited Minimi (1.5 zoom, it's not for camping anyway)

Request Menu:
HAT - 84mm with 1x HEAT, 2x HEDP, 2x Smoke.
AA - We don't have this kit, find something for it.
Sniper - Cool sausages.
Engineer - As with sniper.
Medic - As with engineer and sniper.
Marksman - Mag58 with 4x scope.
LAT - 1.5x scope, not linked to Spawn menu kit, 2x 66,.
Grenadier - 1.5x scope, no smoke, 12/16 HEDP.
AR - Minimi on same counter as spawn menu.

Notes; only the officer kit and HAT have smoke, the ADF must use more suppression and and aggressive maneurve to achieve their objectives. The faction is also not ideally suited to stand-off fighting due to lack of smoke and less access to high power optics, it must hterefore maintain the initiative by exploiting their more versatile AT options and more plentiful suppression weapons or risk being attrited from range.

[Sgt.Trip]

i dont see why the javelin is not in PR...... the FGM-172 SRAW has maybe not as advanced tracking guidance systems as the javelin.... but the FGM-172 SRAW still is a fire-and-forget weapon. it has pre launch system which calculates the predicted targets movement and also an internal guidance system thats while in flight adjusts for crosswinds and the like. so not as advanced as the javelins but still a guidance system, which is not present in its PR format. so why not the javelin without the guidance system.

also the FGM-172 SRAW has a top attack variant just like the javelin.

and i know the FGM-172 SRAW has a shorter range but in PR this will not matter anyway because of view distances and map size restrictions.

im not arguing the point having the javelin in the game so dont jump me for resuggesting something that has already been suggested. Cause im not suggesting it be put in PR at all.



anyways back on topic....

i have to agree with you there though... your suggested spawn and kit request menu is quite good. i also believe limiting smoke is a good thing... the doctrine taught within the ADF is very aggressive (but my knowledge only goes that far, cause i can not compare it to another nations doctrine cause i obviously have not undertaken any other nations training.)

im still not sold on the mag58, not totally, but i guess it would become very useful, the limitations on this kit would need to be tweaked i think, and only testing would that work. Mag58's are being used a lot more in your standard infantry platoons, and even going right down to the section level.

but looking at your kit sugestions ADF, in my opinion would still over power insurgents and probably even a conventional army in PR... ie the Chinese or MEC.

[anglomanii]

to the best of my knowledge ADF currently deployed at this time now have two guns, 1x F89 and 1x MAG 58 available to all sections. and is a SOP across the ADF.

[Jimbom]

^ To be honest I think an individual sections layout tends to vary greatly depending on what the task of the section is and what is available at the time. If the unit is running with all that 2012 doctrine malarkey then they'll have 2 Minimi's per section and then have a 4th section with 2 MAG's.

As for limiting smoke, we do have the aggression bit about always going forwards, but theres also that wonderful 1/3 ratio which means we need to be able to get ourselves out of trouble just as fast as we can get into it!

[RUSSIAN147]

i think you have got that completely correct. im a corporal in the reserves, and i have seen the devastation a single rocket can do to 3 gum trees. so i maintain what you've said, to keep the balance grenades should be a staple. plus you can't throw a rocket around a corner can you?

[RUSSIAN147]

going completely off topic, imagine the controversy if we had the L42A1 (scoped .303 with a bipod) make a resurgence in Aus. Forces? even just as a DMR.

[gazzthompson]

going completely off topic, imagine the controversy if we had the L42A1 (scoped .303 with a bipod) make a resurgence in Aus. Forces? even just as a DMR.

do ANY aus forces use this weapon ? if yes, state sources... if no, then no.

[triggerhappY|PR]

Just a chime,

The best way i can see of incorporating MAG58s into ADF mod is to have the minimi on the main menu, and the MAG58 on the commo rose request AR kit, and then have it so they cant have a DMR and a MAG58 at the same time.

[Truism]

Just don't use the DMR. The SR-25 isn't used outside SF at all as far as I can tell.

[anglomanii]

the sr-25 is part of the current light and medium armaments integration program, which is seeing a radical series of evolutions, in armaments upgrades and application of adaptive war-fighting techniques.
this evolution is seeing the armed forces refocusing how it conducts it's internal growth, there is now a real effort to ensure ADF members are initially seeded to appropriate disciplines and then are given the impetus to grow into more advanced rolls.
this is also seen ion the deployment of arms and their evolving deployment to troops. what our leading edge forces have today, is now being readily made available down the line to regular forces.

so at this time regular Btns are adopting the SR-25, Blaser tac2, and other such optimized armaments.

anglo out