replace taliban's lee en field

[TristanYockell]

I'v dropped a moose and many a deer with my .303 british in 1 shot. This is not a small cartridge we are talking about here.

It makes the 7.62x39mm Cartridge used in Ak's, SKS and a few others look anemic in comparison. Look at this picture, .303 farthest to the Left, Famous AK-47/AKM cartridge all the way to the right.



.303 cartridge has a muzzel velocity of 745 M/S upon leaving the barrel with 3164 joules of energy.
7.62x39mm cartridge is traveling at 710 M/S upon exit with 1991 joules.

Considering it only takes around 900 joules to reliably kill a whitetail deer "roughly mansized mammal". We have loads of energy left to totaly obliterate soft tissue.

So Technically this Cartridge is a man stopper in every sense of the means.

[Hunt3r]

For balance sake, yes, the G3 should kill in two shots. But also for balance's sake, the Enfield should be 1 shot.

If all the 5.xx caliber assault rifles were as controllable as the L85 iron sights on full auto, then yes, G3 should kill with one shot to the chest.

[Bellator]

Despite the fact that the .303 British round has the same energy as a 7.62 round, the Enfield really should be a one shot kill. You could say that this means that the G3 should also be a one shot kill, and you would be right, it is needed for game balance.

Am I not right in thinking that the DEVs priorities are balance/gamelplay first, realism second?

Stu.

G3 is powerful enough as it is and it would become seriously over powered if it became a single-shot, single kill. Althought it might become a fun weapon (unlike now when it seems everyone except me wants to switch it whenever they can to US or British kit) when its recoil and sound is backed with serious killing power, but the US and brits would not stand a chance, hurting game play a lot. G3 is much easier to use than lee einfield because it is an automatic weapon after all, and you can correct one or two misses.

[Tim270]

G3/any other weapon balance is not needed in this thread as it does not apply.

The simple fact is currently
- If people want to use the weapon effectively they have to assume the role of a marksman
- If you stick with your squad in assaulting compounds, you are unable to defend yourself.
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The size/power of the round leads to the question, why does it take 2 shots to kill ingame? Either make the deviation a lot lower(you are still 'punished' by having to cycle the bolt after each shot and allowing targets to seek cover) so you are able to actually hit stuff Or up the damage and lower the deviation slightly.

Since the weapons have been used by Afghans for so long, logic would conclude that they are pretty capable with the rifles as well.

[Herbiie]

(unlike now when it seems everyone except me wants to switch it whenever they can to US or British kit)

Really? I usually see the opposite, Brits and US taking G3s.

Anyway, on topic:
It just should be one shot one kill as you usually only get 1 shot, it's no good for supressing even (and I loooove suppressing).

[Bellator]

Since the weapons have been used by Afghans for so long, logic would conclude that they are pretty capable with the rifles as well.

Or they are too poor to buy anything else.

Really? I usually see the opposite, Brits and US taking G3s.

I see that rarely too, but mostly its MECsters taking the blufor kits, way more often than not. People just don't know how to handle the G3A3 even though its a quite a good rifle when you know how.

[crazy11]

But the prob is no one on the team seems to agree. they think if they made the lee Enfield as good as it really is in real life it be to over powered for a medic. I think is ridiculous remember is a bolt action rifle it is really a one shot deal, that in it self makes it under powered.

Where has anyone said that it is over powered if we put it at its realistic capabilities. Have you ever thought that maybe it is bugged?

[Roguehellhound]

On the enfield-should be 1 shot 1 kill, sucker is too powerful in real life to not be reflected in the game.. great ol' british rifle

Actually looking to buy one myself.

The G3? i think that is my favorite weapon, on asad it absolutely RAPES! my motto that I made clan go by is "be the first to kill, not first to shoot" basically let the enemy take the first 1 or 2 shots, then you kill him b/c your deviation is almost zero.

trust me, i took out a whole squad of brit with iron sights simple b/c the full auto capability is amazing in CQB due to sheer stopping power.. even with the limited 20round clip.

[Claymore]

I am afraid that my pressious medic kit would be stolen by snipers, in case this rifle killed in one shot. If the stopping power has to be increased, then maybe the enemies should be severely wounded - black and white but not dead.

[Herbiie]

I am afraid that my pressious medic kit would be stolen by snipers, in case this rifle killed in one shot. If the stopping power has to be increased, then maybe the enemies should be severely wounded - black and white but not dead.

Sniper Noobs will just go, "Oh Noez, Iron Sights, I can't shoot anything!" Because they are silly

[Nebsif]

lolwut cant believe any1 would prefer the G3 over L85, I rape with L85, G3 on full auto eats rounds 2 fast and only a few of them score, I start reloading and the 2nd/3rd guy gets me, plus its just too hard to control the recoil with my 100-140 ping. G3 vs M16/m4 is a diff story.
And aye, I support teh idea of increasin lee enfieldz0r's dmg, I never understood why insurgents get an irons enfield as a LIMITED kit lolol.
...about sniper noobs, they might pwn more with irons enfield than scoped, almost every day I find a sniper/s walking around cappable objectives trying to snipe ppl from less than 200m.

[USMCMIDN]

the taliban still use it in afghanistan and pakistan today

[Tim270]

Have you ever thought that maybe it is bugged?

In what way is it bugged?

[Conman51]

I actually like the rifle fine...if you stick with your squad its actually very good, some one outs an ak 74 bullet in them and you put a lee enfield in them...dead...its really accurate as well

[Jaymz]

Do you have a source for that pic? How the hell did an insurgent fighter get his hands on a bloody STG-44??!!

EDIT : Also, I have yet to see someone post what would happen if a .303 round hit modern body armour....

[Katarn]

EDIT : Also, I have yet to see someone post what would happen if a .303 round hit modern body armour....

.303 British / 7.7x57R - 3120J muzzle energy
7.62x54R - 3214J muzzle energy

So, almost nothing. There's a video floating around of a guy taking an SVD round to the chest and being able to capture the guy who shot him afterward. Ceramic plating stops almost every round until you get into the .50 caliber range. At least the first one. The only real dangerous rounds to ceramic plating may be the .338 lapua and the newly developed 9.3x64 round, which is shot from the SVD-K.

[chrisweb89]

Ok, well I think the new question should be, how much damage dos the 0.303 round do to body armor and its wearer compared to other weapons portrayed in this game. I personally with no stats or real experince other then shooting a 0.303. I would like to see one chest shot bring the victim to a black and very bloody screen quickly to make it so that the person isnt straight out killed instantly but made completely useless and needing to really on his squad members and medic to stop the enfield shooter before he gets a second round of or untill he just bleeds out.

[RHYS4190]

Jaymz;1191316']

Do you have a source for that pic? How the hell did an insurgent fighter get his hands on a bloody STG-44??!!

After world war two a lot of German munitions where pedalled off all across the globe. There have even been reports that large numbers of German munitions even made there way into Vietnam and where used against US troops. the German Model 24 Stielhandgranate nick named by the allies has the potato masher was one of the most notorious of them.

but a Stg-44 now that a very rare find, Unlike the K98 the Germans as far as im aware of did not make very many of them. that they have made there way to Afghanistan is truly remarkable. And that they still work. the production standard for these weapons where quite low due to the pressure the allies where exerting on German munitions factory’s.

[Epim3theus]

Makes me wonder what ammo they shoot with it. I'd imagine 65 year old ammo wouldn't be all that reliable?
And it's not a very common calibre, at least not the original.

[R.J.Travis]

.303 British / 7.7x57R - 3120J muzzle energy
7.62x54R - 3214J muzzle energy

So, almost nothing. There's a video floating around of a guy taking an SVD round to the chest and being able to capture the guy who shot him afterward. Ceramic plating stops almost every round until you get into the .50 caliber range. At least the first one. The only real dangerous rounds to ceramic plating may be the .338 lapua and the newly developed 9.3x64 round, which is shot from the SVD-K.

what rounds are the insurgence using in there aks?

I have always felt that the Bluefour should be talking alot less dmg at past 150m if it in there body armor.

I'v seen a lot videos of people getting shot up real bad and coming out with only minor wounds and just really bruised up from the bullets impact at ranges of 150+

I'm going to look for the SVD video you just talked about.

I am really hoping in "PR2" they take the time to make body armor something you feel is working xD.

ATM I think basically your given 25% more hp to act as body armor right?

right now its like you got all this gear on and your body armor is really paper xD

adding a rickashay off of the body armor and slowing you speed by 35% at long range or knocking you into prone and your forced to crawl for 8 secs b4 you can get up would be nice in "PR2"