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[Hulabi]

pleym;1205789']Small update from the Design plan

Changes in the design plan:

Combat Engineer:
Will get the HK 416 aimpoint instead of MP7

Light AT:
Carl Gustav recoilless AT, 84 mm caliber

Heavy AT:
Eryx

Sniper:
M82

Marksman:
Will have the HK 417

DEV's will not let you guys use the M82 since its a .50 caliber sniper rifle. This has been discussed alot before.

[lexmyr]

There's your source. Stop whining.

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[pleym]

DEV's will not let you guys use the M82 since its a .50 caliber sniper rifle. This has been discussed alot before.

The Norwegians are not using 50. cal guns on ground vehicles we normally use the 30. cal mg3 on our Gwagons and tanks

So I don't see the problem with having 2 50.cal snipers as we use in real life, on the battle field, they will do less damage than all of the cars with 50. cal's you see around today on PR.

The Norwegians on PR will not use 50. cal guns on ground vehicles but the 30. cal mg3

We wont make Project Reality unrealistic so we will use the weapons our armed forces use at normal

[Gu^n3r]

i find it hard to believe that there isnt a more 'standard' sniper rifle in use by the Norwegians, doesnt seem right to have a M82 used all the time.

[Hulabi]

The Norwegians are not using 50. cal guns on ground vehicles we normally use the 30. cal mg3 on our Gwagons and tanks

So I don't see the problem with having 2 50.cal snipers as we use in real life, on the battle field, they will do less damage than all of the cars with 50. cal's you see around today on PR.

The Norwegians on PR will not use 50. cal guns on ground vehicles but the 30. cal mg3

We wont make Project Reality unrealistic so we will use the weapons our armed forces use at normal

There must be other sniper rifle that norwegians use against personnel M82 is a anti material sniper rifle and is not used against personnel, unless he is a high ranking officer at a extremely long distance etc. It is not realistic to have M82 in game because the game engine has its limits about anti material rifles. This has been discussed before, and the answer has always been: No.

Now, after some googling around i found out that the Norwegian standard anti personnel sniper rifle is the NM149S
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[KP]

The Norwegian book "Ett skudd. En død" by Tom Bakkeli.
Even though its a shitty book and some of the facts in the tale is wrong, the dedicated fact-part in the middle of the is correct, according to mil.no

There's your source. Stop whining.

Never trust Tom Bakkeli. Or mil.no.

According to various articles found both in his book and in magazines and newspapers, one could say that Norwegian snipers use (listing off the top of my head now):

HK417
NM149
MØR (M82)
MSG90
AG3 w/scope
AG3F2 w/scope

So either one of these could be used as sniper rifle.

In the Norwegian military, as of today, there is really no defined difference between the "marksman" and "sniper" concepts. The difference is diffuse, with the two roles overlapping to a degree. That's because there's never been a clear sniper/marksman doctrine. That's something that's about to be changed, with TMBN moving towards the use of marksmen (the same word is used for them in Norwegian, to separate them from snipers - the word "skarpskytter" covers both of the meanings). Their designated role is to support their squad with aimed fire at ranges beyond those covered by standard assault rifles. As opposed to the sniper, whose role is to provide intelligence and taking out key enemy personnell at great ranges. Snipers may or may not operate as part of a larger force.

The HK417 is slated to be the standard sniper rifle. The MØR is just that - a MateriellØdeleggelsesRifle, not really designed for engaging infantry, even though it's being used in that role. The marksman rifle, in my opinion, should be the AG3F2 w/ACOG, as it fills the void between the HK417 and the HK416. The 417 is not for use as a DMR, and the only reason it's being used as such is, as I've stated, that there is no clear marksman/sniper doctrine.

Pic of F2 w/full stock in A-stan:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2268 ... 467037.jpg

The Norwegians are not using 50. cal guns on ground vehicles

ORLY?

[Zimmer]

The .50 cal is not used alot by NF either way it breaks several rules in the standard ROE, because it is what it is its a MØR not a PØR (personnel ødlegelses rifle), besides Ninja2Dan has confirmed that the ligther and smaller sniper rifles are alot more accurate then the .50 cal and a sniper in that case will rather take a precise rifle then a brute force weapon.

Cant we wait until Johnandreas comes and can give a better qualified statement then most of us can.

EDIT:

- Våre retningslinjer er klare. 12,7mm «multi-pupose»-ammunisjon skal kun brukes mot harde og semi-harde mål, ikke mot personell. Unntaket er ved rent selvforsvar der andre våpen og annen ammunisjon ikke er tilgjengelig, svarer til slutt general Roar Sundseth, nestkommanderende ved FOHK.

English:
- Our policies are clear. 12.7 mm "multi-pupose" ammunition should only be used against hard and semi-hard targets, not against personnel. The exception is the purely self-defense where the other weapons and other munitions are not available, correspond to end-general Roar Sundseth, second in command at FOHK.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/arti ... tid=537887

[KP]

EDIT:

Dreper fra 1380 meter - VG Nett om Forsvaret

That's only about the use of the Raufoss MP rounds. Also note that Strøm-Erichsen thinks that there's no duality in the rules about the use of this sort of ammo, and that the higher-ups have the right to spend weeks and months going over decisions made in a second by a soldier under fire, and then punish the soldier for his actions as they see fit.

Oh, and shooting at Taleban with 30mm HE rounds is allowed, but not with 12,7mm MP rounds (which, apparently, detonate after leaving the body anyway).

[pleym]

Oh, and shooting at Taleban with 30mm HE rounds is allowed, but not with 12,7mm MP rounds (which, apparently, detonate after leaving the body anyway).

I love the Norwegian "weapon" policy, it must be the most random in the world

We are making Big Mac's out of the enemies with HE rounds, instead of just leaving a small hole in their body with a M82 rifle...

[Zeno]

congrats with 7000 posts KP

we should use what we use IRL...

[H.sta]

i know the Mauser is beeing fased out, but i still think that it should be the Sniper rifle of the Norwegian forces in PR... lets face it, it is a game, wich means gameplay matters, and having a semi auto sniper rifle would be so devastating, and it would attract a lot of people that doesn't use the sniper class as it should be used

therefore KP if you have the time, can you possibly make the NM149, it would be the best rifle to use gameplay wise.. i have a lot of pictures of it, i took for this exact reason

[KP]

One could compensate for this by have slightly lower zoom (not sure what's used on the 417) and accuracy.

[Maxfragg]

i think HK417 as DMR and NM149 as sniper would be most appropriate for PR

[H.sta]

See, that german dude agrees... so make it happen Pleym , anyone up for the task of making it?

[Zeno]

Well, one way too make the m82 a bit more fair could be to make it only useable in deployed mode, and deployed mode could only be used whilst prone, make it 1-2 seconds before you could fire again and long reload

well thats a good idea i think it would be impossible to fire the barret to fast because of the recoil.

[H.sta]

actually the M82 hasn't that big of a recoil, i still say we should get the NM149

[KP]

i know the Mauser is beeing fased out, but i still think that it should be the Sniper rifle of the Norwegian forces in PR... lets face it, it is a game, wich means gameplay matters, and having a semi auto sniper rifle would be so devastating, and it would attract a lot of people that doesn't use the sniper class as it should be used

Dude... The M82 is semi-automatic. And .50-calibre. Do you have any idea of the tardery that will attract? Seriously.

And why's everyone so keen on mirror-balancing everything, even to the point of ignoring realism? Did no-one read my previous posts?