why no night maps?

[Heskey]

i think it would be a good game tactically if there were night maps, wouldnt bother me what countrys fighting

Of course it wouldn't; because you wouldn't be able to see them in the dark! Hohohohohoh

[Robbi]

dose this happen in BF2 SF and is it only in NVG mode or just even when not looking though the NVGs?

Its both in bf2, in SF its fine, as it uses different shaders.

Jabal night was being worked on by Matrox, as was Tad sae and Ghost train by myself and Rudd.

Basrah was by someone else, not sure on who, and Kashan was being worked on, but stopped due to the NVG problem.

[snooggums]

You are correct

Matrox, Robbi, myself and a few others experimented with turning PR maps in to night maps a while ago.

Whenever a dynamic glow, that is mapper placed or from a muzzle flash or incendiary grenade touches a static, the result is black static. sometimes it is acceptable.

But when the entire dam on jabal is flashing black from people shooting near it...you can understand the problem.

Is it possible to change the sun to a moon (a pale bluish color) for a moonlit map and avoid using dynamic glow?

[TheLean]

I dont like nightmaps because it forces people to turn the gamma up to max or play at a disadvantage. There are several reasons why night maps are seldom fair. Either some players have their gamma bumped, or they are in a room with low light or no windows, or they are in another part of the world where there is currently night. When a night map comes up in FH2 and its daylight outside I either have to:

1. Restart the game to change gamma to be able to see the enemy and survive.

2. Accept that I will die mostly because enemies can see me clear as day while I can only see black.

3. Play with max gamma in all maps to avoid leaving the server to change gamma when a night map comes up. This will make all maps look much more ugly with wierd colours.

[Herbiie]

I dont like nightmaps because it forces people to turn the gamma up to max or play at a disadvantage. There are several reasons why night maps are seldom fair. Either some players have their gamma bumped, or they are in a room with low light or no windows, or they are in another part of the world where there is currently night. When a night map comes up in FH2 and its daylight outside I either have to:

1. Restart the game to change gamma to be able to see the enemy and survive.

2. Accept that I will die mostly because enemies can see me clear as day while I can only see black.

3. Play with max gamma in all maps to avoid leaving the server to change gamma when a night map comes up. This will make all maps look much more ugly with wierd colours.

I'm sure not being able to see the enemy is the point?

Anyway just close ur curtains

[snooggums]

I dont like nightmaps because it forces people to turn the gamma up to max or play at a disadvantage. There are several reasons why night maps are seldom fair. Either some players have their gamma bumped, or they are in a room with low light or no windows, or they are in another part of the world where there is currently night. When a night map comes up in FH2 and its daylight outside I either have to:

1. Restart the game to change gamma to be able to see the enemy and survive.

2. Accept that I will die mostly because enemies can see me clear as day while I can only see black.

3. Play with max gamma in all maps to avoid leaving the server to change gamma when a night map comes up. This will make all maps look much more ugly with wierd colours.

Part of the fun of a night map is not being able to see enemies. If you have your settings correctly setup and the map is properly lit you shouldn't have to change gamma settings between maps. If the contrast is a little too strong between maps you can always use the brightness feature on your monitor without restarting the game...

[TheLean]

My point is that people that crank up the ingame gamma and monitor gamma can get about the same light level as a normal day map with ugly colors, while people with "correct" gamma will se the map as intended, namely dark. I know this from Forgotten Hope 2. I dont think I have to explain the benefits of seeing in the dark versus being practically blind. I am a competitative person and I really cant stand the thought of losing because someone sees me while I cant see them, but I cant see myself "cheating" by raising the gamma either. Based on this I am actually opposed to adding a night map to PR. A bit selfish maybe, but it would be annoying to change server every time the map comes up in rotation.

Edit: After reading my text it feels like I am pissing in somebodys pool here... If you want a night map go ahead and make a good one, Im sure many people will appreciate it. I dont want to be old johnny put his cane in the milkwagons wheel wiessmuller.

[snooggums]

My point is that people that crank up the ingame gamma and monitor gamma can get about the same light level as a normal day map with ugly colors, while people with "correct" gamma will se the map as intended, namely dark. I know this from Forgotten Hope 2. I dont think I have to explain the benefits of seeing in the dark versus being practically blind. I am a competitative person and I really cant stand the thought of losing because someone sees me while I cant see them, but I cant see myself "cheating" by raising the gamma either. Based on this I am actually opposed to adding a night map to PR. A bit selfish maybe, but it would be annoying to change server every time the map comes up in rotation.

Edit: After reading my text it feels like I am pissing in somebodys pool here... If you want a night map go ahead and make a good one, Im sure many people will appreciate it. I dont want to be old johnny put his cane in the milkwagons wheel wiessmuller.

Yeah, it is pretty much the same thing as people turning down graphics to get rid of grass and other jerkish behavior. You can of course just choose to not play on a server with a night map, most servers don't run all maps in the their maplist anyway.

[killonsight95]

if we really wanted a ngiht map could we have it so that you can't take ngiht vision off but everything is green and textured NV colour this may be hard but it would work would it not?
and in your vid rudd it doesn't look that bad? just make we don't have jabul night

[Rudd]

if we really wanted a ngiht map could we have it so that you can't take ngiht vision off but everything is green and textured NV colour this may be hard but it would work would it not?

thats easy, you just add the NVG code to teh normal.con in the server.zip and presto, you aint taking ur nvgs off.

[Robbi]

Easy but doesnt change anything....

[Ghost_1ll1]

Its not a bad idea, but not one that i could say i would support.

I agree alot w/ what TheLean says about it. I also dont like playing the same game only now its all shades of green.

Dont get me wrong, IRL its insanely badass to be able to see at night and many military ops are done at night, but in game i just dont feel the same way about it.

I also own Sf and i didnt enjoy any of the night maps whatsoever, same game, only now its green.