[Maps] PR v0.9 Map Overviews

[Pudding Overlord]

Does this happen at every large release, I've only been playing since .84 so this is my first major update

[alec89]

Does this happen at every large release, I've only been playing since .84 so this is my first major update

Does what happen?

[McBumLuv]

I see a secret in the map overviews

[Pudding Overlord]

Does what happen?

All of this crazy and anger?

[Meester]

Using the ever popular PR scale we are at OMG.

[Herbiie]

It just feels empty with militia, I would feel the same with US and USMC maps if insurgents were changed to militia, dont get me wrong. Thats all.

But the Insurgents & Militia are different, the Militia represent a more organised organisation (lolz) the Insurgents aren't as organised.

[Gunner4712]

All of this crazy and anger?

Lol yes, just wait until they tell us the exact date of release.

[bloodthirsty_viking]

All of this crazy and anger?

just wait till we get to the sigan realise XD

that will be bad...

[Shaihuluid]

I see a secret in the map overviews

Would love to hear it

But the Insurgents & Militia are different, the Militia represent a more organised organisation (lolz) the Insurgents aren't as organised.

Heh, major difference is that insurgents get easy access to RPG's + MG's but no medics, while Millitia get the same crummy squad restrictions as with everyone else.

[Gunner4712]

Would love to hear it

Agreed lol

[alec89]

But the Insurgents & Militia are different, the Militia represent a more organised organisation (lolz) the Insurgents aren't as organised.

Actually chechens are insurgents irl and the map, Iron ridge, has an insurgency mode with the militia(now). If the devs changed the flags of taliban and iraqi insurgents to that unknown "militia" flag you would also object.

[Bellator]

My point is that every other faction in PR is based on an actual army meaning the MEC are a complete contradiction of the general theme of PR.

But as I said, its not that relevant to gameplay. I'd play PR even if it had entirely imaginary factions with realistic depicting of military and warfare. If anything, MEC is a sort of white canvas that the dev team can paint on with relative freedom. It allows for creativity when most of the other designs follow their RL equivalents rather strictly. And the results, imo, are so good that I'd like to see MEC kept highly represent in game: I'd just love to see a large map with British/IDF against MEC, or insurgents vs MEC.

I disagree that it is a stretch to have Russians fighting IDF, as already stated the two factions have clashed in RL and the potential for a storyline explaining the involvment of the two factions is massive. PR officially does not create such background but that does not mean the potential isn't there.

The Russians and Israelis may have clashed through proxies, but the USSR and contemporary Russia lacks the power-projection abilities to actually invade Israel without getting hampered by other Western powers (and in such a case, any invasion of Israel would be out of question since Russia would be more concern with its own defense).

And further, its not as if Russia has any actual interests in Israel. Russian is not lead by rabid antisemites who'd like to risk all of what they have for a modern pogrom in Israel. And Russia has no vital material interest in Israel either, since it has no oil or anything.

But even if Russia had interests in a conflict with Israel, MEC is already more or less a Russian proxy or ally, quite possibly, since it has a large amount of Russian hardware and weapons. So in any case, Russia would simply hire MEC to do its dirty job in Israel and reward them as Russia always has, through bilateral trade preferences and stockpiles of weapons.

We're also talking about gameplay here and what is best for PR gameplay. In essence therefore we are debating something that we have not yet played and therefore really have no right to comment on until it has been tried. You never know but the IDF v Russia combination could prove to be one of the most enjoyable match ups in the game

Oh sure -- I have no doubt. I really like Russia too and their laz0rx accurate AK-74Ms with those upside down reticules.

But. The MEC have only 3 maps that I know of in 0.9. Kashan is a tank match, so its the same regardless of what factions you might have on the map. Jabal is an awful map. And I am sick and tired of Muttrah, which is a very good map, but its not the only map where I'd like to shoot my G3.

During testing for the map one of the developers (I forget who, possibly DB) made the valid and exciting point that Beirut is going to be a fantastic showpiece for PR; an entirely new and unique map being fought over by two completely custom factions that have been designed and created by the community from the base up. I can't think of anything more exciting.

MEC is almost entirely custom made by now. It has only some scarce vBF2 leftovers, like the flag, which, last time I checked, doesn't really affect gameplay unless it was plain white (which is a problem for the French faction devs )

[Snazz]

If the devs changed the flags of taliban and iraqi insurgents to that unknown "militia" flag you would also object.

Insurgents are already a generic faction, there's no 'Iraqi' in their name. Ramiel is based on Mogadishu, Somalia for example.

The Taliban also used to be generic Insurgents as well, I didn't care then either.

[alec89]

The Russians and Israelis may have clashed through proxies, but the USSR and contemporary Russia lacks the power-projection abilities to actually invade Israel without getting hampered by other Western powers (and in such a case, any invasion of Israel would be out of question since Russia would be more concern with its own defense).

And further, its not as if Russia has any actual interests in Israel. Russian is not lead by rabid antisemites who'd like to risk all of what they have for a modern pogrom in Israel. And Russia has no vital material interest in Israel either, since it has no oil or anything.

But even if Russia had interests in a conflict with Israel, MEC is already more or less a Russian proxy or ally, quite possibly, since it has a large amount of Russian hardware and weapons. So in any case, Russia would simply hire MEC to do its dirty job in Israel and reward them as Russia always has, through bilateral trade preferences and stockpiles of weapons.

First of, why would we want to invade Israel. 1/3 of Israelis have russian roots and many israelis speak russian. USSR was the second nation to recognize Israel. And talking about us supplying MEC, then its total LOL since MEC doesnt even exist. And in supplying weapons, Russia supplies only defensive weapons like AA systems to Iran and Syria. Iran actually uses american war planes if you didnt know that
Personally we dont consider them "friends" or "allies", they're just business partners in our secret quest for world domination. muhahaha

[Bellator]

First of, why would we want to invade Israel.

Exactly the question I asked. I objected to the plans of having Russia fight Israel.

Either your reading comprehension is failing, or mine is..

[alec89]

Exactly the question I asked. I objected to the plans of having Russia fight Israel.

Ah. Reading comprehension.

But in a fictional sense its interesting to see the both fight each other. Its very original since no other games have that.
And I also didnt say that we CANT invade them. We just dont need it

[Bellator]

And I also didnt say that we CANT invade them. We just dont need it

No. Russia cannot plausibly invade Israel. Of course, Russia could turn Israel into a glass-crater several times over, but I doubt that Russia could sustain an invasion of Israel.

[Tim270]

Urgh, who cares about the plausibly, the mod would be a lot more boring without such conflicts, factions are fictional for the sake of having more to play. Stop complaining about such a menial 'problem'.

[Gu^n3r]

No. Russia cannot plausibly invade Israel. Of course, Russia could turn Israel into a glass-crater several times over, but I doubt that Russia could sustain an invasion of Israel.

Regardless if thats true or not, im not going to debate it at all, the fact is that PR is a fictional world which is based off the real world.

It be like saying that China vs US or GB is unrealistic so it should be scrapped, the concept of them battling is perhaps unlikely but to create the gameplay desired these sorts of things need to be done, realistic or not.

[Hresvelgr]

If that's the case, we should soon get a US vs UK/Canada map, just for old time's sake and to settle an old argument.