The Ups and Downs of Squad leading: Follow my orders, darn it!

[Teek]

Funny (or not so funny) thing about that...

Today
Go online -> deploy -> go to tactical gamer -> "You have been kicked because you exist" -> Argh!

All the time. It gets almost kafkaesque...

TG is a 62 person server, you need to join when it has less than that

[dtacs]

I will, thanks!

No worries, but never ever take their or my word for it. Always develop your own way of leading, if people don't join, then you're clearly doing something wrong and find out what it is. But always ask at the end of a round what you need to improve - most of the time the most quiet people will have some really constructive things to say.

[Teufel Eldritch]

I do what my SL says to do, however if my SL is a jerk, a big-headed *****, a full of himself leet I will leave the squad & find another. It one thing to follow the order "Alright guys..hold this position & set up a perimeter" & quite another to follow a jackhole powertrippin' d*ckheads screamrage over the mic "Stop right there you morons! Stop whatever it is the f*ck you are doing & guard the position! Arrrg! You guys are f*ckin' idiots! Do what I say! I know this game & you don't!" SL like that end up getting fragged by their own troops.

[-Sauso-]

Yea, the cocky know it alls are annoying. Lead a fun yet productive squad You can keep your squad in check without being a **** thinking you are better than everyone.

[Rico]

Its not always easy to get a squad to be a cohesive unit but I still find it happens in Insurgency all the time. Just last night on the T&T server our SL (SqnLdr) led myself and 4 pubbies the whole round, in which we decimated the enemy overall with our 111 kills to 20 something deaths. A mixture of fun and clear orders I think are needed for an effective squad.

[gazzthompson]

Am i an *** when SLing ? yup
do i swear at people not doing what i tell them to do? yes
Do i have ANY patience left over? nope (2 years of playing, its been worn down to not exist anymore)

Am i on a powertrip? hell no, i want to run the most effective squad on the field, thats the fun for me in the game and if players dont like it they can leave (chances are, ive kicked em already).

the result of players doing what i tell them:
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/ ... 459be0.png

destroyed directly or indirectly 3 caches. one death was a discon and 2 from bomb car.

[myles]

are talking about being SL when being insurgets cause thats preety hard but when your blufor v insurgents its not hard everyone wants to follow you and do what they say.

[Teufel Eldritch]

This isn't the real life military. There is no need to be a jerk to other players. If I wanted to get screamed at by someone in uniform I would have joined the RL military. PR is only a game & as such I don't have to take BS from anyone. You want to be my SL? Then treat me with respect & you will receive the same. If you have lost your patience in with dealing with subordinates then perhaps you shouldn't be SL. Like I said earlier... this isn't the RL military, it is only a game.

[BloodBane611]

I try to be nice when SLing, as PR is first and foremost about having fun, but if squad members are ignoring me and doing their own thing they simply will be gone. Other squads can deal with the idiot snipers, mine will be attacking or defending objectives.

[gazzthompson]

no one has said anything about "screaming" at other players, there is a real difference between "screaming" at other players and saying "stop running off and stay with the squad you f**king retard". You want to be my squad member? you do what i say.

Players in my squad that do what i say, when i say dont get talked down to, these are the players i like. players than run off and do there own thing all the time screwing over the hole squad, these are the players i tell off/kick.

[Calhoun]

This isn't the real life military. There is no need to be a jerk to other players. If I wanted to get screamed at by someone in uniform I would have joined the RL military.

It's incredibly easy to follow orders issued by your squad leader, and to avoid doing anything that is outright stupid. It's annoying as hell if you have to spend all your time babysitting your own men.

There's some common courtesy that every member of a squad should follow for an overall enjoyable experience.

The squad member should stay closely with and move with the squad unless given an order to do something different. Understand what you are allowed to do and engage and when by asking your squad leader if he has not already told you. If you're waiting to regroup, wait until everyone has arrived or spawned and until your squad leader has given the order to move out, unless ordered to do otherwise.

A squad leader should keep the squad organized as one, moving together or holding their position together. He should declare an objective clearly and if possible allow no room for needless distraction. It's also encouraged to communicate valuable intelligence or information to your men, such as intelligence from the commander that is relevant to you all or your own rules of engagement or what you expect each one of them to do.

[Teufel Eldritch]

No disagreement there Calhoun.

[Deer]

Squad leading is like playing lemmings =p You have to control lemmings every footstep and tell them step by step what they should or shouldnt do. Thats why most good squadleaders cant be arsed to be squadleaders... its so tressfull =P

[Cassius]

Play with regulars. If you have too many players in the team that are like meh capricious or cant be arsed you can forget about playing. Teamplay works best with a regular player base.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

no one has said anything about "screaming" at other players, there is a real difference between "screaming" at other players and saying "stop running off and stay with the squad you f**king retard". You want to be my squad member? you do what i say.

Players in my squad that do what i say, when i say dont get talked down to, these are the players i like. players than run off and do there own thing all the time screwing over the hole squad, these are the players i tell off/kick.

And there's no need to cuss at them like that as it makes it more tense than anything else and doesn't improve squad cohesion. This isn't like the real military, cussing or "motivation" like that doesn't work with the average guy.



The funny thing about insurgency is that on Blufor, you actually do better in smaller 2-3 man squads than 6 man squads as you can inflitrate and take out caches without being noticed. The main problem with insurgency is that players try to hunker down and just kill insurgents rather than keep moving. If you hunker down in one spot, you are guranteed going to get overrun very quickly as they have unlimited respawns while you don't. Really, insurgency is all about rushing and getting to the cache on the first or second shot before all of the insurgent reinforcements spawn in. I've seen others and I've had my squad do textbook tactics before on insurgency, but it just doesn't work. But when I charge straight towards the cache by myself with a teammember behind me and get in the build or on the cache, I have no trouble at all taking it out.

[gazzthompson]

And there's no need to cuss at them like that as it makes it more tense than anything else and doesn't improve squad cohesion. This isn't like the real military, cussing or "motivation" like that doesn't work with the average guy.

probably true, but as i said i have no patience anymore.

[Vege]

I usually squad lead and play INS only. My patience is known to be big and i never yell to my SM:s.
It's usually just telling what needs to be done and managing the best way to do it.

I can't stand people that tries to yell to his SM:s and I've yet to see something good come from it.

[Cassius]

And there's no need to cuss at them like that as it makes it more tense than anything else and doesn't improve squad cohesion. This isn't like the real military, cussing or "motivation" like that doesn't work with the average guy.



The funny thing about insurgency is that on Blufor, you actually do better in smaller 2-3 man squads than 6 man squads as you can inflitrate and take out caches without being noticed. The main problem with insurgency is that players try to hunker down and just kill insurgents rather than keep moving. If you hunker down in one spot, you are guranteed going to get overrun very quickly as they have unlimited respawns while you don't. Really, insurgency is all about rushing and getting to the cache on the first or second shot before all of the insurgent reinforcements spawn in. I've seen others and I've had my squad do textbook tactics before on insurgency, but it just doesn't work. But when I charge straight towards the cache by myself with a teammember behind me and get in the build or on the cache, I have no trouble at all taking it out.

I would agree that it works on most servers, however I play on a server where teamplay is emphasized.
Insurgency has at least 15 men sitting on a cache who are discipined enough to not stray too far from it. You can forget about trying to get lucky with even a 6 man squad. If you do not rally a sizeable force and place spawns of your own Blueforce will lose bad.

Teamplay works, get with likeminded people and play toegether with them. The guys who play against you will either change their "I dont like being told what to do" mentality or switch to a server where both sides are similiary disorganized.

[Psyrus]

the result of players doing what i tell them:
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/ ... 459be0.png

destroyed directly or indirectly 3 caches. one death was a discon and 2 from bomb car.

Heh I'm the same as you gazz, been called a few colourful names by players right before the 'kick'-accept button is clicked

And while we're waving our awesome squad leading epeens around, I'll raise you your 3 caches with my 6 [all inf]



Proper Squads: We Get it Done

[combatwombat]

Overall, I find the best SL's have laid-back attitudes and know the maps very well.

Also, I think the server you play on and the time of day matter a lot too. Back in the day on battlearena, I found the quality of the average SM to be much higher. Nowadays when I play on =]H[= Insurgency, it's quite variable. Just learn who the biggest smacktards/noobs are and kick them from your squad early on if they join.