New Rally Ruined Close Air Support

[stealth420]

Well this is what has been happening on muttrah and kashan.


Usually this is how my Close air support squad operates on these maps.

Squad leader : takes role of spotting, Sniper/squad leader kit
2nd member : Helps squad leader / Medic or Marksman.

3rd : Pilot / co pilot
4th : pilot / co pilot


Alright so the new rally dissapears after 60 seconds. This is where the problem arises. Usually the squad leader is spotting 100% of the time not worrying about setting a rally.

Today on muttrah my squad leader was spotting for me , while me and my co pilot were in the cobra. I dropped him in the A7 mountain range in the Littlebird before the cobra spawned in. I told him to set a rally , he did and it dissapeared. He got One shotted by a enemy sniper about 30 minutes into spotting for me, and with the rally point gone " The cobra became useless without eyes on the ground/mountain.

CAS support is affected by this new rally system do to its time limit.

" EDIT " Back in 0.87 my spotters would spawn in if they were sniped or artyed off the mountains on these maps. Now they cant spawn in due to the time limit, Unless there setting rallys ever 60 seconds which un focuses them on priority targets.

[gazzthompson]

There are other means of getting to the front in game.

[IAJTHOMAS]

<<fails to see problem with this sequence of events...

[CarlosDMB]

As long as you have a good transport pilot getting back to a spotting possition should be no troubles.

[Zrix]

Look at it from the other side.

If you were that enemy sniper, which option would you prefer if you had an enemy spotter in your sights that you knew was helping the Cobra slaughter your team?
1) Enemy dies, but is back on spotting duty 30 sec later.
2) Your precision kill actually means something and you have crippled the enemy.


Besides, I think it's time the regular SL starts getting involved with CAS. I just hate that if you don't have a dedicated spotter, you won't get a single laze.
Hopefully this change will encourage that, as the grunts might notice the lack of CAS.

[master of the templars]

sounds kinda REALISTIC

[Froggy]

Well this is what has been happening on muttrah and kashan.


Usually this is how my Close air support squad operates on these maps.

Squad leader : takes role of spotting, Sniper/squad leader kit
2nd member : Helps squad leader / Medic or Marksman.

3rd : Pilot / co pilot
4th : pilot / co pilot


Alright so the new rally dissapears after 60 seconds. This is where the problem arises. Usually the squad leader is spotting 100% of the time not worrying about setting a rally.

Today on muttrah my squad leader was spotting for me , while me and my co pilot were in the cobra. I dropped him in the A7 mountain range in the Littlebird before the cobra spawned in. I told him to set a rally , he did and it dissapeared. He got One shotted by a enemy sniper about 30 minutes into spotting for me, and with the rally point gone " The cobra became useless without eyes on the ground/mountain.

CAS support is affected by this new rally system do to its time limit.

" EDIT " Back in 0.87 my spotters would spawn in if they were sniped or artyed off the mountains on these maps. Now they cant spawn in due to the time limit, Unless there setting rallys ever 60 seconds which un focuses them on priority targets.

RAMIREZ, FIX THE RALLIES.

srsly, your guy should have A) been more careful and B) you there is more than one way to get there. lolhueys.

Thread is pointless.

[death87]

I see no problem at all with the scenario and outcome above.

You're wanting an easy, one click option to get back where the squad leader died... who would only be sniped again because the sniper would be expecting more targets.

edit: and now that I think about it, it was a cheap move and would be frustrating for the MEC team to constantly die from a cobra guided by a spotter who keeps respawning near where he died.

[=XE=Grimm]

Adapt. I am personally glad taking out spotters with my long gun means my buddies don't have to worry about CAS for a while.

[CodeRedFox]

<<fails to see problem with this sequence of events...

yeah I have to agree, can you explain what the problem is? Your spotter got careless and was taken out by a sniper. Hence making the CAS not a option. I really really fail to see the issue?

Back in 0.87 my spotters would spawn in if they were sniped or artyed off the mountains on these maps. Now they cant spawn in due to the time limit

OHHHhhhh I see...hate to break it to you but thats how its suppose to be played. In fact this now make snipers MORE useful as they now can cripple a team, which sounds like he did exactly that.

[Froztbyte]

yeah I have to agree, can you explain what the problem is? Your spotter got careless and was taken out by a sniper. Hence making the CAS not a option. I really really fail to see the issue?

i think this thread needs to be killed...
WITH FIYA!

[XxxGrANdmA]

Look at it from the other side.

If you were that enemy sniper, which option would you prefer if you had an enemy spotter in your sights that you knew was helping the Cobra slaughter your team?
1) Enemy dies, but is back on spotting duty 30 sec later.
2) Your precision kill actually means something and you have crippled the enemy.


Besides, I think it's time the regular SL starts getting involved with CAS. I just hate that if you don't have a dedicated spotter, you won't get a single laze.
Hopefully this change will encourage that, as the grunts might notice the lack of CAS.

Agreed. I would hate to get a great shot on someone that was spotting our apcs for the cobra's so they stopped dying but then 60 seconds later I see him spotting again.

[Jaymz]

1. Pretty good sniper, he obviously paid attention to you making the drop off and waited for a target.

2. Why did you tell him to set a rally? Rally Points are only useful for new players joining the squad and/or for retreating and regrouping.

3. If he wanted a spawn point, he should have called for supplies in A7 and set up a Forward Outpost.

[Truism]

The basic gist of killing something is not that you make the other team lose tickets, it is that you deny them that capability. The idea that you should always have spotters nearly all the time even if they get themselves killed is a flawed one.

New rallies are a very good thing.

[Spuz36]

I just had a great Kashan spotting round with the MiG going 36-0. I died 3 times in the middle of the desert but still found a way to get back in position(that desert is massive btw). CAS is not dead.

If the spotter goes down, CAS should hold on attack runs until eyes are back on field. There are just too many ways to waste the 12 tix and wait 20 or so more min. Zrix brings a good point too.


Plus give it more than 1 day, or 1 game. 0.9 just came out.

[Jafar Ironclad]

Other squads are going to have a much more efficient time calling CAS now with the new GLTD rose. Give it time; squad leaders will become more aware of their new toys.

[Cassius]

And your squad did not build a fob in order to spawn close enough to get to the mountains why ?
Also the pilot can park the Cobra take the little bird and insert you in the hills, or the pilot already piloting the LB can do that.

[Spinkyone]

yeah I have to agree, can you explain what the problem is? Your spotter got careless and was taken out by a sniper. Hence making the CAS not a option. I really really fail to see the issue?

OHHHhhhh I see...hate to break it to you but thats how its suppose to be played. In fact this now make snipers MORE useful as they now can cripple a team, which sounds like he did exactly that.

I don't know if this is a bug or what but should probably be mentioned here first since it's in the same sniper/rally/GLTD ballpark.

Anywho you now can't send a laser target message as a sniper unless you're the squad leader although you can use your GLTD to set targets still. Kinda a pain and potentially dangerous in having laser markers without identification. Plus it means that the sniper team is at a disadvantage with a lack of a rally and only encourages them to go solo/lack of an additonal squad role which is a shame. So intentional or not I guess as I can't remember this being change in a prior patch?

[Stealth Clobber]

First of all, it was idiotic of you to drop him in A7 in the first place. Good snipers look around. Great snipers look to the mountains first.

[Zimmer]

Would not this kinda be the goal for a sniper taking down high value targets, and therefore blocking the enemy from getting intel and eyes to different assets. If you take down a spotter shouldnt the change be noticeable for a longer time then 30sec?