What role does the VN3 take?

[MADTKBOY]

I've noticed that the VN3 has 7 seats, well above what its real life counterpart has iirc. I believe the irl VN3 has a gunner, driver, commander, and 2 recon troops, and is used not much differently than the panhard 4x4s....

As it is in PR, it appears to have seats for 2 soldiers too many...

I tried it on baracuda and remember that basically the Chinese got 2 VN3s while the Americans got LAV25s. What happened to the Chinese APCs?

As it stands, they're going up against full blown APCs with glorified humvees? Oo

I also noticed that although they require crewmen kits and act alot like apcs, they only have 7 slots instead of 8, and no extra ammo to drop for troops.

What role does the VN3 play in PR?

At the moment it seems to be a cross between the humvee and the LAV25, being abit better then the first and alot worse than the second...

Crewmen kits to operate seem kind of weird too...seeing as they are intended to be the chinese panhard...it's like making mraps (should we ever get them) crewmen operated. Or making the uparmored humvees (when we get them) crewmen operated.

It just doesnt add up.

The VN3 in .9 seems to be suffering from alot of personality crisis. Please tell me how it currently works in game is a work in progress...

[Jaymz]

The Chinese VN3 is a larger vehicle and has a crew of five (commander, driver and three passengers)

source : NORINCO VN3 reconnaissance vehicle (China) - Jane's Armour and Artillery

[WilsonPL]

btw. Is vn3 armor it 50cal resistant?
And main cannon is 14,5 like in BRDM/BTR right?

[dtacs]

.....but is the speed realistic? A video I shot to show the ridiculous speed of the thing.

btw. Is vn3 armor it 50cal resistant?
And main cannon is 14,5 like in BRDM/BTR right?

No and yes.

[MADTKBOY]

Jaymz;1261524']source : NORINCO VN3 reconnaissance vehicle (China) - Jane's Armour and Artillery

I made a mistake. What I meant to say is that currently, in game, the VN3 has 7 seats, which is 2 too many

I'm glad you provided the link. According to it, about mid way through:
"The Chinese VN3 is a larger vehicle and has a crew of five (commander, driver and three passengers)".

One of these passengers is in the gunner turret. This leaves 2 passengers, a gunner, a commander, and a driver.

Though it may be larger and better than the Humvee, I'm still confused as to it's role not in real life, but in PR.

Again, to reiterate:

Currently it has 2 seats too many. It also requires a crewman kit to operate. If the 2 extra fictional seats are added for gameplay to bring it up to bmrd2 standards, why not just bring it up to 3 fictional seats (total of 8 driver and gunner included) so it can be used as a crummy, adhoc mini apc, transporting full squads in the back?

If it is intended to be used as a mobile fire support for one squad, with driver and gunner part of the squad, but always in the VN3, why the 7th seat? Why not 6? To tag the commander along or bring an annoying sniper who's lone-wolfing it?

In real life, it has 5 seats. We don't really need a commander in it in the game as all he does is sit in the passenger seat in real life anyhow. So this leaves 3 passengers, a driver and a gunner for game purposes. This is assuming we bring the VN3 seating numbers back down to what it is reported to be in Jane's. Assuming this, why have the driver and gunner require crewman kits? The VN3 in all respects is looking like it is replacing the boxy truck, which used to take the role of Chinese Humvee. Though VN3 would give them the a huge advantage in the squad transport option. I see no reason this can't be balanced out.

On Baracuda for example, VN3s are the best the Chinese have right off the bat. USMC get 2 LAVs, which far outclass the 2 VN3s and can transport squads of 6, as opposed to one squad of 5. (I'm only comparing it to the LAV because currently in game, they require crewmen kits and therefore should be treated as APCs, and not a glorified uparmored humvee, which is what the VN3 really is.)

Comments?

[Jaymz]

Actually, I provided the wrong source there.

1. The capacity needs to be raised up to 7 people (Including Driver/Gunner).Two more people can sit in the back against the rear wheel wells.

That comes from one of our trusted PLA advisers. Let's see if he chimes in here about it

[Tim270]

Think of it like a BRDM(With more seats) use it for fast raiding attacks/scouting/light infantry support.

Fun little car, and it looks badass, few bugs though, huge speed boost when exiting water + cannot request crewmen from it?

[BloodBane611]

Fast raider, recon, transport for a short squad, or fully integrated with a squad, i.e. 2 crewman + 4 squad members, like the humvee but requiring crewman quits.

[Alan]

As mentioned, it is pratically the Chinese equivalent of a BDRM, and the answer to the HMMWV (assumed because the BDRM appears as the counterpart to the HMMWV in US v. MEC inf. maps). If you want to look at it from a game perspective, consider the need to use crewman kits as a counterbalance to the heavier cannon on the VN3 (and the BDRM). Quite a good display of assymetrical balance, really.

And not to go too far OT, but isn't there an Amtrack somewhere in prodution to replace the US LAV thing (as it's not really that amphibious) which should technically even the playing field between VN3 and the American vehicles.

That's my take on it, anyway.

[dtacs]

As mentioned, it is pratically the Chinese equivalent of a BDRM, and the answer to the HMMWV (assumed because the BDRM appears as the counterpart to the HMMWV in US v. MEC inf. maps). If you want to look at it from a game perspective, consider the need to use crewman kits as a counterbalance to the heavier cannon on the VN3 (and the BDRM). Quite a good display of assymetrical balance, really.

And not to go too far OT, but isn't there an Amtrack somewhere in prodution to replace the US LAV thing (as it's not really that amphibious) which should technically even the playing field between VN3 and the American vehicles.

That's my take on it, anyway.

The LAV-25 is still in use with the USMC, there are no plans to phase it out afaik, as its a recon vehicle while the AAV/EFV carry what, 20 troops?

I doubt the USMC will develop a non-amphibious armored vehicle anyway.

[MADTKBOY]

Actually, I provided the wrong source there.


That comes from one of our trusted PLA advisers. Let's see if he chimes in here about it

That's interesting info I had no idea about Oo

few things though:
Do chinese APCs spawn on Baracuda eventually to counteract the LAVs?

Why no small reserve ammo drop for the VN3?

Does the real thing really drive like its fueled by crack?

[Pariel]

The LAV-25 is still in use with the USMC, there are no plans to phase it out afaik, as its a recon vehicle while the AAV/EFV carry what, 20 troops?

I doubt the USMC will develop a non-amphibious armored vehicle anyway.

The Amtrack (AAV7A1) is currently being produced for PR to replace the LAV (as the LAV currently fills a role almost always filled by the Amtrack in real life). LAVs are not actually used as APCs, they are reconnaissance vehicles.

[dtacs]

The Amtrack (AAV7A1) is currently being produced for PR to replace the LAV (as the LAV currently fills a role almost always filled by the Amtrack in real life). LAVs are not actually used as APCs, they are reconnaissance vehicles.

You speak as if I said that the LAV is used to transport troops. I never said that it wasn't a recon vehicle, in fact I said thats what it IS used for.

Also, I remember Rhino saying that the AAV is going to be there to compliment the LAV. You're forgetting that the LAV is amphibious. The only problem is it is not sea-borne amphibious, but limited to bodies of water, so it would make more sense to really spawn at docks once its capped, for example.

Removing the LAV from the game is a stupid idea, being an important USMC vehicle. However its present on LCAC landings so I guess its spawn on the carrier is a 'placeholder' of sorts for the lack of the LCAC.

[Rudd]

dtacs is correct,but donàt make this thread messy lads, this is a VN3 thread, not a amtrak/LAV thread

I have yet to try the VN3 in a public game, but I saw Cougar and Dispo rocking the americans world on qwai last saturday, running in, blowing stuff up, pulling back, was fun to watch with my sniper rifle from the govt office.

[Teek]

I had so much fun in a "lol car thing" squad on qwai the other night, those things are my new favorite vehicle.
It has good armour protection and stays aliveafter a LAT hit, they got a big gun and MG in a protected turret, smoke launchers, very good in the water and can carry most of a squad.

Only thing it needs is a horn.
Oh, and requesting crewman kits, a back up cammera or mirrors would be nice too.

Most of the round we patroled the map and took out humvees and logi trucks, and with 2 trucks transported 2 squads and escorted their logi trucks in a awsome convoy of 4 vehicles.
We also went to assist our squads who were crossing the river and made pike a lifeboat and picked up the straggler in the water before helping another squad hop a fence.

Is it possible to add brake lights?

Best vehicle in pr!

[RedAlertSF]

I've ran into this thing on Qwai and Barracuda. It's a real killer, completely unstoppable. Have to try it out myself.

[PlaynCool]

I've blown up 3 of theese one after another on Qwai thanks to the new deployable Anti-tank weapon, and i was a gunner once its a nice vehicule.