Whats the rule on killing unarmed combatants

[Poi_Medic]

I was playing korengal valley as opfor (taliban) and my squad was pinned by a HMG from afar. And with coalition troops surrounded around us, I decided to pick up a unarmed kit and so as the rest of our squad and started to walk out the front door with out hands up. We where totaly unarmed but the enemy squad decided to kill us. Will that affect thier score or is it treated like killing an armed combatant? Because I was disappointed that we had an option to give up yet the enemy still mows us down.

I do like the option of giving up. Makes for some intresting gameplays.

[Lucke189]

I don't know the current rule, but in my opinion there should be a timer after you pick up the unarmed kit, when you still can be killed. Maybe one minute.
Else you could just get into a firefight with the enemy, and just drop your kit in a second to get shot and give them negative score.

[Poi_Medic]

When ever im playing colalition now, I always tell my squad memebers to check thier fire before shooting. I noticed that some of the kits dont have the restrainers only the bayonet. (I use squad leader kit a lot so I dont know much about the other kits if they have it) Makes it harder to do an arrest.

[The_Blitzcraig]

The unarmed kit will only penalize on insurgency maps with Iraqi insurgents, after one minute of having the unarmed kit as an insurgent if you are shot the enemy will be penalized. This does not apply to Taliban or Hamas.

[Poi_Medic]

The unarmed kit will only penalize on insurgency maps with Iraqi insurgents, after one minute of having the unarmed kit as an insurgent if you are shot the enemy will be penalized. This does not apply to Taliban or Hamas.

Wait? Only Iraqi insurgents? Does not apply ofr Taliban or Hamas? They are totaly badass then, fighting till the end lol.

I would like to know for conventional armies the rules on killing unarmed combatants either unramred kit or pilot kit. I guess this goes beyond insurgency maps.

I would like a dev to confirm this.

[Spec]

There are no rules for conventinal forces either. Aside from the insurgency game mode, surrendering is purely a role-playing element and has no consequences other than the animation of you throwing the hands up. The enemy might let you run, might execute you, might just shoot on sight... Depends on the players only.

[killonsight95]

doesn't apply to taliban or hamas only iraq insurgents on insurgency mode

[Poi_Medic]

Ay.... I guess its a gentelmens rule of engagment. It all depends on the player, if they shoot an unarmed person they are a horrible person inside. Would love to see some sort of penalty inplaced for that. OH well.

Still hella fun when you give up and the enemy is confused on wtf to do. lol.

[dbzao]

We didn't add any rules for unarmed combatants on any faction besides the Iraqi Insurgents that have civilian collaborator rules attached.

We might add some ROE for unarmed combatants of all factions, but needs some thought.

[Moonlight]

We might add some ROE for unarmed combatants of all factions, but needs some thought.

Honestly, I see no point. Any punishment for killing unnarmed combatants outside insurgency will end in using human shield tactics. Futhermore there would have to be a way of "catching" those combatans with any kind of reward for the team for doing so. (like the intel points...)Either those unnarmed kits would be abused or unused. I'd rather stay it as it is now.

[mangeface]

Honestly, I see no point. Any punishment for killing unnarmed combatants outside insurgency will end in using human shield tactics. Futhermore there would have to be a way of "catching" those combatans with any kind of reward for the team for doing so. (like the intel points...)Either those unnarmed kits would be abused or unused. I'd rather stay it as it is now.

I second this opinion. I was playing on Fallujah West the other day, and an Insurgent marksman was using a collaborator as a shield. I had no choice but to send both of them to Allah, or else sacrifice my squad.

On that note, I did get to use my Jesus rifle as I screamed "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!"

(For those who do not know what I'm talking about, Trijicon, the maker of the ACOG, has recently been caught making the ACOGs for the US military with bible verses inscribed on them.)

[DevilDog812]

the taliban use human shields anyways, its more realistic

[glowjack177]

Ay.... I guess its a gentelmens rule of engagment. It all depends on the player, if they shoot an unarmed person they are a horrible person inside. Would love to see some sort of penalty inplaced for that. OH well.

It's all relative, you can shoot unarmed civis if they're endangering you by giving away info and aiding the enemy; not all soldiers are armed but still dangerous (in fact around 2/3 aren't).

Strategic bombing is accepted practice and it isn't much different from genocide, the aim of both is to destroy the enemy's supporting population. (although people claim otherwise the end result is dead civilians who were contributing to the enemy's war effort in some way)

But I would like to see ROE apply for insurgents too, I would like to gain 10 tickets and intel as BLUFOR by getting shot with a picked-up civi kit.

[Oddsodz]

I would like to gain 10 tickets and intel as BLUFOR by getting shot with a picked-up civi kit.

Now that idea is nice. I Like that one a lot

[alberto_di_gio]

I second this opinion. I was playing on Fallujah West the other day, and an Insurgent marksman was using a collaborator as a shield. I had no choice but to send both of them to Allah, or else sacrifice my squad.

On that note, I did get to use my Jesus rifle as I screamed "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!"

(For those who do not know what I'm talking about, Trijicon, the maker of the ACOG, has recently been caught making the ACOGs for the US military with bible verses inscribed on them.)

Human Shields neither unrealistic nor not used. Its a common tactic used by insurgents against regular armies of the nations. If surrendering option is applied its ROE limitations should also be applied.

In other saying: Shoot surrendered soldiers with cold blooded in war and let me see what happens to you!

[mangeface]

Human Shields neither unrealistic nor not used. Its a common tactic used by insurgents against regular armies of the nations. If surrendering option is applied its ROE limitations should also be applied.

In other saying: Shoot surrendered soldiers with cold blooded in war and let me see what happens to you!

Yeah, but until it is applied and if I run across anyone else using someone as a human shield, like a collaborator, I'm going to kill both of them. I'm not risking anyone's life on my team to pull that kind of ****.

ON THAT NOTE, THIS IS A GAME. I'M A UNITED STATES MARINE AND KNOW THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.

I don't need a lesson on this area.

By the way, I was in Turkey a few months ago. There were some serious anti-US riots while I was there. Almost got attacked by a mob while trying to eat a gyro with a couple of my buddies if there hadn't been any police officers there to stop them.

[mangeface]

the taliban use human shields anyways, its more realistic

I agree, except that in real life we'd just leave them be or use non-lethal weapons.

In this game, I'm going to mow them both down.

[LUKE_NUKE_EM]

I agree, except that in real life we'd just leave them be or use non-lethal weapons.

In this game, I'm going to mow them both down.

Yeah I won't hesitate to shoot a civilian if it puts me or a squadmate in "digital" danger.

It annoys me when you shoot them they start whining over global chat "Nice job nub" etc.

[KasperX]

I don't think there should be any ROE for unarmed soldiers in the AAS game mode.
I've already argued this to death in a previous thread.
Basically...

1) If u decide to be unarmed, u shouldn't be able to pick up another kit until u either die or are rescued by ur team.

2) When captured, a POW should be blindfolded (black screen) when brought back to the holding area (jail) or else he can relay vital intel back to his team via team chat/vent/ts. See pic..


3) A soldier who drops his kit and is willing to give up should be punished severely b/c they gave up fighting for the cause and decided to selfishly turn their backs on their "brothers in arms" so to speak. Maybe a big deduct in Team Points?

Either way, if the DEV's do incorporate ROE...they'll have to be very well thought out. I can already see several exploits that can totally degrade game play.

Kasp

[killonsight95]

the taliban use the drop wepons tactic everyday someone could have a small gun attachted to a rake if they really wnated to and the US Army couldn't do anything about it