Deployable .50cals, deployable TOWs

[mangeface]

Each weapon has it's own purpose. If someone does want to shoot infantry with a stationary tow, thats when teamwork should come into play or your point man is not doing his job properly. Unfortunately not everybody plays and uses weapons for their intended puerpose, you can't avoid that. That however does not mean that all weapons should be upgraded to uber guns.

I still don't believe that .50 should have a scope. They are used but not on a regular basis. 'm pretty sure most of the fractions are based on a general military branch and not any specialized units. .50 cal that are placed near fob should be placed with a potential tactical advantage to have effective use and not just dropped in the middle of the road. I think they are mostly used to deny entry points for the infantry, but not as a long range automatic sniper rifles

Agree. Yes, the US military and other nations have magnification on their HMGs, but that doesn't mean that PR does. Plus, I thought the Devs didn't want the .50 cal sniper rifles around in PR?

[ReapersWarrior]

its not so much that the military uses magnifaction on their HMG's as much as it would just overcome the problem with being able to tell where the infantry is a long ranges. Its too hard to try and direct fire expecially with the crappy sights and if you have a small screen fuggedabboutit.

[HAAN4]

we can give all things good to any thing, has long there are enough bad things to kick their *** out.

HMG main have Scope, and 360 degres. has long they don't have to much cover, (I mean easy to shoot down whicht sniper rifle, or a well aimed shoot of a assault rifle) if DEV thick to still using the more covered but which less arc HMG fine.

but my point is, if we give all those things and a good cover it main become invenssible. (and flaking a thing of 360 graus will be not easy has many say) because all they say is, Try flack it, try flack it here, but things don't work prety like that.

we can also give a slow movement to HMG, since both gun and man need to be moving in 360 graus weopow, and also a litle couldown that will work just like HEAVY AT when moving the aim, off course depeding how many you move the weopow and faster it is.

remebering It's is a heavy weopow okay? if we don't start thicking at the new weekness it main be invenssible.

of course well placed HMG in the roof of buildings or top of moutains will be BADASS since we will give they 360 graus, but we can ever give a limite of ark to see DOWM, and up

that is my point for now.

I also like to place many of those weekness in LMGs but of course whicht less a slowerst Aspect.

[General Fuct]

Agree with making the deployable M2 more useful. Some sort of zoom (not a scope, something similar to the PKM for Russia) is in dire need, its borderline useless atm because you can only really shoot something close range, even being guided is not overly effective.

[killonsight95]

don't give it 360 view keep it as it is just give it a scopeor sometihng along those lines.Maybe have more deveation like the tanks and apcs guns have

[Fungwu]

Here are some thoughts:

I've got a 24" widescreen and I play at 1920x1080, even with a big monitor and good resolution you can't match the native magnification of a human eye. The .50cals on jeeps had a 1.5 or 2x zoom that really helped you see infantry at a distance. I'm not sure of the exact specs, but infantry stop even rendering after something like 300 or 400m, so at a certain point it is impossible to see the enemy, because they stop being drawn at 1x magnification. If a 4x scope is too much to ask, atleast give enough magnification that the targets are being drawn on the screen.

One of the considerations of placing a TOW is that, even though it has 360 field of view, you don't place it on top of a hill or anything like that, you place it inbetween two bushes, or two buildings, or in the saddle of a hill so that you have a limited field of view, and thus a limited exposure to the enemy. The advantage of a 360 field of view then becomes that you can take better advantage of the terrain. Tied into this is the better elevation and depression on the TOW tripod which allows you to shoot up and down hills. So a TOW might have less cover on the mounting, but you can use the natural cover of the terrain much better.

[Drunkenup]

Agree. Yes, the US military and other nations have magnification on their HMGs, but that doesn't mean that PR does. Plus, I thought the Devs didn't want the .50 cal sniper rifles around in PR?

Thats true. The devs made it how they made it because they know what they're doing.

If a scope was added to the .50 Cal Deployables, then they're already insane lethality would shoot through the roof. And if the deployable was made on a pintle mount like the ATGMs have, then they're vulnerability is so high, its unusable. Its fine as it is.

The deployable TOWs though were discussed and will indefinitely be changed for the better.

[0331SgtSpyUSMC]

I think what people fail to realize that .50 cal was not designed for infantry engagements. As crazy as it might sound to some.

[Bellator]

I think what people fail to realize that .50 cal was not designed for infantry engagements. As crazy as it might sound to some.

In that case, perhaps the .50 cal emplacements could be replaced with LMG emplacements with a greater field of view and scope. The fifty cals mounted on the jeeps and the TOW are enough for anti-vehicle purposes.

[killonsight95]

I think what people fail to realize that .50 cal was not designed for infantry engagements. As crazy as it might sound to some.

give us spawnable LMG's then and link it with the HMG's or give us HMG's on foxholes
still though the effective range on it is well below what it should be because you can't see ethier 2x or 4x scope/zoom should be added

[CallousDisregard]

What about both ?
The current MG nest w/ no magnification and a open tripod mount, 360 traverse and 4x zoom on the sights.
That balances out the zoom with the increased protection of the sandbags.

[mangeface]

I think this subject is being discussed too far. I think the .50 is fine as is. Just suck it up and deal with it. You didn't create the mod. The Devs did. I've wanted a ton of shit, and the Devs said no. And I sucked it up and dealt with it.

If you really want the hard info on HMGs, ask 0331SgySpyUSMC. If you have no clue what 0331 means, it is his MOS (or prior) number, and it corresponds that he's a MACHINE GUNNER. He should know what the hell he's talking about with LMGs, MMGs, and HMGs.

[CodeRedFox]

@hartbilt
Most the photos you posted are not battlefield pics. Mostly R&D pics. But they do exist.





I use to agree with the scoped 50cal but the more I play the more I realize that they will end up being only uses as (sniper like) fighting positions. And you all know thats what will happen. Instead use the 50 as suppression and let the free troops knock heads off.

[mangeface]

I use to agree with the scoped 50cal but the more I play the more I realize that they will end up being only uses as (sniper like) fighting positions. And you all know thats what will happen. Instead use the 50 as suppression and let the free troops knock heads off.

As I stated in one of my previous post on this thread, I was pretty sure you [the Devs] wanted to keep .50 cal sniper rifles out of this mod.

[Pariel]

CodeRedFox is probably onto something there, but the point stands -- the HMG is useful in only a very small set of locations.

I don't think the LMG with a scope next is a bad idea -- perhaps this even presents a chance to put the GPMG/M240 and similar weapons in game (although I don't know to what extent they actually are used with scopes).

Whether a change is decided on or not, the current HMG nest is pretty much only useful for covering small lanes of fire, generally inside cities, with shorter range than most factions standard assault rifle. It's no surprised they aren't used much.

[mangeface]

I don't think the LMG with a scope next is a bad idea -- perhaps this even presents a chance to put the GPMG/M240 and similar weapons in game (although I don't know to what extent they actually are used with scopes).

Not nearly as much as one would think.

[Arnoldio]

Just added scope to the 50 cal and prone position while manning it would be better IMO.

[killonsight95]

basicaly atm we have a HMG that used for short range combat, it needs a type of zoom (possible 2x zoom would be best) and increase the deveation a little for gameplay.
We could use LMG's with a 4x zoom and link it tio the HMG's and make the max 3 so you can ethier have 3HMG's for use against vechs, the deviation and only 2x zoom should make it so you can suppress the enemy without it being super 1337 50.cal sniper.
Or have other combinations like such so you have more felxabliaty as a firebase, you can have some anti vech capablities or lots or none depending one where it is.

[ComradeHX]

Maybe this can be added: right click - use binocular(cannot fire).

That way, 50 cal can be used more effectively and no need to attach the scope.

This works because almost all kits have binoculars.

[0331SgtSpyUSMC]

basicaly atm we have a HMG that used for short range combat, it needs a type of zoom (possible 2x zoom would be best) and increase the deveation a little for gameplay.
We could use LMG's with a 4x zoom and link it tio the HMG's and make the max 3 so you can ethier have 3HMG's for use against vechs, the deviation and only 2x zoom should make it so you can suppress the enemy without it being super 1337 50.cal sniper.
Or have other combinations like such so you have more felxabliaty as a firebase, you can have some anti vech capablities or lots or none depending one where it is.

I really can't understand, how do you magically get "zoom" when you look through iron sights on any weapon. Only thing that would get better is sight alignment, but that doesn't make your target larger, if what, it would actually make the target itself blurry. You not even suppose to concentrate on target, you concentrate on front sight post, so giving zoom to any weapon with iron sights would not be true and most likely will still be abused to the max.

But if it does happen and zoom gets added like on Russian RPK now, why can't the medic get a "zoom" on his iron sights?