[Failed thread] Do you like the new Rally point change?

[Myru]

I think the new rally system rewards a SL's "sense of tactic" more the ever.
Being able to drop the RP with just 1 SM close-by gives you the possibility to get 4 fallen SMs back, the only thing you have to do is cancel all offensive actions and fall back to a save location.
So the Sl is confronted with more tactical decisions:
-Keep fighting even if you experienced a loss / retreat and let your ppl respawn / call for reinforcements and try to revive the wounded with your medic
-Use the same"attack-route" after RP-respawn / find another, mabey safer way to advance, since you don't have another RP to compensate failure / fall back to a fob to get another RP.

In addition, squads have to arrange their actions with each other, because being forced to stop fighting to regroup in safety more often, which requires another squad to stop the enemys from advancing while your own squad is regaining force.

[Kain888]

Do we need two topics about the rallies?

[fStar]

In response to Myru and others in general I guess, it would be really nice if it did work that way but in reality it hardly ever does. The SL and another guy have to be pretty lucky to run out of the danger zone, and then you have to get another 50m away or so anyway just to set the rally. And inter-squad teamwork isn't enhanced because there's no way in which it's been made easier. Just adding more realism does not mean more teamwork.

And I guess there's 2 topics because the OP is raising new points and other general 0.9 stuff, it isn't a love it or hate it poll like the other one.

[CodeRedFox]

THREADS MERGED, let keep one (I'm right your wrong) thread in the same place.

Please try to keep the back and forth to a minimum. The version just came out and we DEV's are watching the change just as your guys are. Post your feelings and leave it at that.

[myles]

forces people to be more aware of their saftey

[salisbury595]

The new rally forces a higher chance of failure. Its not fun anymore. People in game do not like it.

I find myself on servers playing the "Take one for the team"and sacrifice my fun so that everyone else can spawn from the FOB's I create and I KNOW that many of you can agree to that yourselves!

[jermaindefoe]

I think that things should be put back to 0.8 The old rally point system but 3 or 4 squad members needed to lay one. This stops ramboing as squads have to be together for a rally to be laid. The new system really seems to take the fun out of PR

[jermaindefoe]

agreed and also as soon as a few people die and you cant have a rally point they just spawn at the FB and the squad gets broken up. If im honest this rally point thing has just encouraged lone wolfing as it's near impossible to work as a squad.

[Zimmer]

I think that things should be put back to 0.8 The old rally point system but 3 or 4 squad members needed to lay one. This stops ramboing as squads have to be together for a rally to be laid. The new system really seems to take the fun out of PR

That does not stop the rush with infinite soldiers attacking the flag with absolutely no fear of dieing since th RP is 1 minute away.

I find myself on servers playing the "Take one for the team"and sacrifice my fun so that everyone else can spawn from the FOB's I create and I KNOW that many of you can agree to that yourselves!

I dont see a problem with that it takes max 10 minutes to put up a FOB maybe 2 in different places. But foremost its 80% the best squad that wins a firefight shouldnt the winning squad be rewarded for taking down another squad, in the previous versions you could just hit the suicide button and you had roughly gotten the same result, wave after wave with enemies coming at you from a cabin 1 minute away before you had killed everyone the attacking squad already had 3 mates who carelessly had gotten in your trap back in the front.

Besides the Devs have said that they make the game how they want it to be played not how we or you want it to be played.

[salisbury595]

I was just on the Tactical gamer server and this is a perfect scenario.

I made an FOB Squad.

The Situation

Map has been going on for about 15 min or so. it had 1 FOB made on our very last flag, generally pointless. I made a squad named FOB BUILD or some **** like that... about 3 members, waiting for a brand new logitruck to appear(all other were destroyed). When the logispawns, a-hole squad leader 5 takes it before i have a chance and said "sorry"... heads to a hostile location and WHAM! no FOB and Logi... gone. Without swearing I will say this. Relying on FOB's is the most retarded concept.

Also i have noticed without RP's squads are always spread out and wondering around like chickens with thier heads chopped off. Try reforming a squad that is split up over 300m appart. is that teamwork?

Games are meant for entertainment primary number 1.

[ANDROMEDA]

I generally prefer the system proposed maarit:

i hope that this is really possible.

i have readed that squads what are in this game is suppost to representing platoons.
because im not sure how is it like ,maybe someone can correct those things.
but i think that you get the idea.

but i start from this article:
Organizational Structure of the Army: Squad / Section

it says that "The Squad, normally 8-16 soldiers, is the lowest element in the Army organizational structure"

so i suggest that your squad can spawn 10 times from rally,then it dissapears and squadleader have to fallback to the nearest outpost "to get new kit with rally"
so you have one change to place rally.
10 spawns+6 team members is full squad.


i think that this would be better rallysystem cos it makes squadsize more realistic.
and i dont know how is it in real battle,is squadleader allways running in front,cos ingame this happens always.but this maybe little prevent that cos squadleader has rally,he dont wanna go down first.
hope someone get the idea.

EDIT:i think that this kind of rally you cannot overrun,you can knife it.they have only 10 spawns,after that they are kind of "overrunned".

Why I like this idea?
All here talk about realism and about the team play. The system of rally points which we have in the 0.9 version has nothing to do with reality. In reality there is no rally points at all. But the military squad may establish in secure area the little camp. Part of the SMs can go on a mission, and some stay for cover and support when necessary. Such system in the game can only be simulate by the system proposed maarit.

No time limit to use for spawn the rally points (60 sec or something), but the number of reinforcements, which it contains(6-10 spawns and camp becomes empty and destroys). And, of course, the system of reinforcement RP by SL on FOB. This brilliant idea to have to live.

I also prefer the presence of SL and 2 SM to install RP like in 0.8. And it would be very nice to change the three pile bags on something more realistic, like a small military tent

[bazza_1964]

Love it, brings the need to build FOB's to the forefront, and forces SL's to THINK before they deploy; "Battle Awareness" is needed and therefore improved....adds urgency to operations...PR has always had it's share of rules and protocol, these are no different...learning is GOOD!



bazza

[00SoldierofFortune00]

That does not stop the rush with infinite soldiers attacking the flag with absolutely no fear of dieing since th RP is 1 minute away.

And having 1 RP doen't force squads to say together out of "fear of dieing" either, nor does it stop squads from being killed by random acts such as a car racing by. If you have such a problem with spawning off of RPs, why don't you have a problem with spawning off of FOBs close to a control point? It still produces an endless wave of enemies just like an RP.

Don't like the wave of enemies coming towards you? Go find their spawn and take it out. No different with FOBs (or Hideouts), you guys just seem to want the easy way out IMO.

I dont see a problem with that it takes max 10 minutes to put up a FOB maybe 2 in different places. But foremost its 80% the best squad that wins a firefight shouldnt the winning squad be rewarded for taking down another squad, in the previous versions you could just hit the suicide button and you had roughly gotten the same result, wave after wave with enemies coming at you from a cabin 1 minute away before you had killed everyone the attacking squad already had 3 mates who carelessly had gotten in your trap back in the front.

The "best" squad doesn't always win though, especially in Insurgency. You may not like the "wave" thing (although it still happens with FOBs essentially), but it made the numbers of the attackers seem bigger then they really were (which made battles fun and larger in scale too). This really was an advantage that the offense needed badly. Now, defense is so one sided that its pretty easy to take out a single squad and keep them at bay because you know that in 60 seconds, they will be right back there attacking again, but from a different angle. And you will have rearmed or set up more defenses by that point in time.

[Kain888]

Do you realize how that sounds? Its easier not and say they did.

If I personally got 1 hundred players registered and had them vote agains't that poll... and post how they DO NOT LIKE THE NEW RALLY POINT SYSTEM, you all would STILL be just as stubborn and nothing would change.

Did your read my post? I'm saying that only objective data can be subject to judge. Screaming at each other "- I have bigger penis! - No, I do!" without getting your pants down is really pointless. Each way.

I'm saying that >ANY SIDE< can't prove anything this way. I was NOT defending any particular position in this discussion. Just trying to point how meaningless is saying and relying on things that can't be measured in unbiased way.

No proof no crime.

I don't want to go personal (although you started ) but this:

This seems like a unstopable political venue to the game that has no intention of keeping an open mind due to stubborness.

If I personally got 1 hundred players registered and had them vote agains't that poll... and post how they DO NOT LIKE THE NEW RALLY POINT SYSTEM, you all would STILL be just as stubborn and nothing would change.

Is a bit silly.

Like seriously we are saying that the poll is poor way to measure opinions, that facts are not really as we see them and after that all explaining that's going on, you call us (who is "us"?) that we are stubborn.

And I don't know what has stubbornness of people here to do with changes since we are just expressing our views, we don't make PR - Developers are. We are like you, just on the other side of Rally Point system discussion

It sounds to my like that conspiracy theories.

BTW if you think that 1 hundred moaning players won't change anything then why you even bother as single person? Isn't that contradicting?

[CodeRedFox]

Damn some of you are thick. Thread closed until further notice.

[CodeRedFox]

New thread

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f257-v0-9-general-feedback/77263-your-opinion-new-0-9-rally-point-change.html


* IF you thread was deleted its because I tried to clean it up as the toilet was over flowing in this thread. IF you thread did get deleted and you think it should have I quickly clean it up and might have removed a few that didn't deserve it. Sorry