Why isnt the chinook armed?

[Rudd]

Seriously guys, if choppers should not have weapons in order to encourage them to transport etc etc then APCs shouldn't have a weapon on top either, whole armoured collumns of the equivalent of the BRDM support.

hell, medics shouldn't have guns they are meant to be healing

HATs shouldn't have rifles cuz they are meant to be tank hunting

Officers shouldn't have guns, cuz they are meant to be leading - Increases teamwork if he has to surround himself with guys with guns to survive

I think you get the point.

Let the players do well or make mistakes, just give them the realistic options in any given situation.

I've used a MEC chopper as a gunship before, we hunted a lonewolf logitruck and destroyed it, are you saying that I should have gotten a BRDM from 1k away to come back to our main just to kill this thing when it was safe and effective for my crew to do it?

[CodeRedFox]

Wait a minute I think Rudd's on to something...

[Rissien]

Guns on choppers are useful at times, its just when they arnt needed players act like retards and fire them off just because they can.

[anglomanii]

some of you may think i am completely crazy (those of you that have the misfortune of knowing me hold this to be a fact) but i definitely encourage the use of door gunners or inf on board firing from transports if they can. some of you say it doesn't work some of you claim it's irresponsible and wasteful and most of you claim it gives our position away. well here's a little shock, super pigs make more noise then your bloody boom stick and most of the time your going straight up the date of the evil old one eye, so in my most humble opinion, if i am going to hell in a hand basket i want every gun on that flying pig putting as much fire out as possible. more rounds going out means less coming back and i have on occasion been able to put my saw to a bloody good deal of work sitting in the hot seat in a Huey on old jaba, to any one who says you cant do any good as a gunner or it's ineffective, i just don't think you've put the practice time in and you haven't been working closely enough with a good pilot.

there's my two cents.
anglo

[wookimonsta]

in all of my playing PR, i have seen one instance where the door guns on a transport chopper were used to some effect.
this was on kashan some inf had gotten into the old main US flag and we had 2 blackhawks circling and taking them out.

every other time, if the heli stays long enough to do any damage it will die

[sylent/shooter]

did he speak english? Honestly I have NO idea what he's talking about... Anyways.. I fully support the door guns. The BH has to be my favourite, pop over a ridge and immediately blow the **** out of anything thats coming to you.

[John-117]

maybe for the Chinook you could have:
1xPilot
6 man squad
maybe 1x gunner
The gunner could be located at the back on the ramp. So when the squad has been dropped and the chinook is going away it can give them cover. This way it cant be used as an attack platform bacause you can only see at the back Maybe give it an M249 so it would be anti infantry?

[mangeface]

some of you may think i am completely crazy (those of you that have the misfortune of knowing me hold this to be a fact) but i definitely encourage the use of door gunners or inf on board firing from transports if they can. some of you say it doesn't work some of you claim it's irresponsible and wasteful and most of you claim it gives our position away. well here's a little shock, super pigs make more noise then your bloody boom stick and most of the time your going straight up the date of the evil old one eye, so in my most humble opinion, if i am going to hell in a hand basket i want every gun on that flying pig putting as much fire out as possible. more rounds going out means less coming back and i have on occasion been able to put my saw to a bloody good deal of work sitting in the hot seat in a Huey on old jaba, to any one who says you cant do any good as a gunner or it's ineffective, i just don't think you've put the practice time in and you haven't been working closely enough with a good pilot.

there's my two cents.
anglo

+1 on that. I love door gunning. I just wish the aircraft could hold 9, so the helos could always have door gunners and be able to carry a full squad. OH, and the Hueys have door guns. Even the rocket Hueys.

[mangeface]

I've used a MEC chopper as a gunship before, we hunted a lonewolf logitruck and destroyed it, are you saying that I should have gotten a BRDM from 1k away to come back to our main just to kill this thing when it was safe and effective for my crew to do it?

I used a trans Huey on Jabal Al Burj as a gunship before. Had 2 guys with AR kits in the F7 and F8 positions, and one guy with a HAT. We killed about 5 or 6 guys and the HAT gunner nailed a BTR before we got shot down.

[paracowboy]

Just yesterday I was with one of the better "door gun" pilots I have ever seen. On Ramiel I "crewed" for him and with the ability to hop guns and let him know "left pedal turn" when I needed it we managed to take out 3 hideouts, 2 techs and probably 10 guys.

It takes a very good pilot to use the platforms effectively and a great way to tell if someone is a noob or not is to see how long they will try and hover. All of the choppers, especially the big ones become RPG magnets if you are still for longer than a few seconds. Back when we had hueys on Archer I would use the M203 and actually got pretty good at leading targets with it. I actually had a pilot get shot out of the seat while he was trying to hover over the castle for the "prefect shot". I am screaming "MOVE" and he is just hanging out and all of a sudden we totally lose power.

Anywho I love the idea of needing more than one person (the pilot) to make some of these aircraft viable in combat. If the blackhawk has an experienced pilot like Elvish and a good crew with coms they are much harder to take down.

[[uBp]Irish]

I usually fly Transport Helicopters and have partaken many times as a CAS platform when the availability of heavier CAS roles are unavailable.

Also, this is not something far off the truth:

Feature - Rescue Under Fire: Air Force Reserve rescue crew recognized for battlefield heroics

"We were able to engage the bad guys on the first pass, all fire was on target. That's all we heard from the CCT, 'All fire was on target. Continue to engage.'"

The crew flew a weapons employment pattern six times, maneuvering their aircraft into a position to protect the special forces team while neutralizing multiple enemy fires and forcing the retreat of some 30 insurgents.

"So we effectively suppressed the bad guys," Captain McDonald humbly concluded.

The captain's modest summary does not adequately reflect the crew's contribution to the operation. In the course of providing fire support for the Army team on the ground, the rescue crew had effectively gunned-down eight Taliban fighters, including three high-value targets, and crippled the enemy resistance by removing the Taliban Uruzgan Province command structure.

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In all honesty I see no problem with this issue. If people are doing their job transporting people, but find that they could also help the team by providing an attack platform than by all means go ahead.

Remember - they're still fat, they're still weak, and the gun ain't that powerful in a short period of time.

[Drunkenup]

maybe for the Chinook you could have:
1xPilot
6 man squad
maybe 1x gunner
The gunner could be located at the back on the ramp. So when the squad has been dropped and the chinook is going away it can give them cover. This way it cant be used as an attack platform bacause you can only see at the back Maybe give it an M249 so it would be anti infantry?

As much as this would take infantry off the ground (no more than 2-3 people) it does follow Rudd's logic making it plausible. Me support. But the Ramp gun should be a FN MAG as they are mounted in real life, M249's and 5.56 are too ineffective. This goes for other choppers as well (only if real life dictates), M240s, M2s and M134's on Transport and Attack Hueys respectively, FN MAGs on Chinooks, 240s on Blackhawks, etc.

[SGT_Griggs]

Gimpy on the back of a chinook ftw! I definately agree that giving the chinook a rear door gunner would be beneficial as a) it can support the troops its just deposited, b) it can still carry a whole squad. But personally i don't think that giving the chinook door guns would be great as obviously it would sort of become a platform of death covered on all sides... and therefore very abusable...

[Tim270]

i don't think that giving the chinook door guns would be great as obviously it would sort of become a platform of death covered on all sides... and therefore very abusable...

You could use that argument for all the choppers in PR, but its simply not the case. The BH has by far the most powerful mini-guns and yet it is very rare that it will actually be used for fire support as all pilots know just how vulnerable they are when hovering and circling around a target.

Door guns are very useful for simply putting down suppressive fire when touching down to drop troops.

[Hunt3r]

It's a bit like operating AC-130s in broad daylight. You know it'll get shot down, but until it does get shot down, it's nice to have.

[Rissien]

Had a cow trying to gun down our Chinooks yesterday, we had two Chinooks just circling around him untill he decided to just ram one of us instead. <.<

[MadMax678]

The only decent Infil/Exfil Transport Heli would have to be the Black Hawk.

it has both speed and defence, and can be used as a weapons platform with the two Gatling rape cannons on each side...


But yeah, a M249 or .50 would be lovely on the Chinook, i hate getting owned by a Taliban with a RPG behind us when i land...

[onikenshin]

dusnt the chinook have a port were you can attach a 30 or a grenade launcher on the side? i think its on the right.

[Trooper909]

Seriously guys, if choppers should not have weapons in order to encourage them to transport etc etc then APCs shouldn't have a weapon on top either, whole armoured collumns of the equivalent of the BRDM support.

hell, medics shouldn't have guns they are meant to be healing

HATs shouldn't have rifles cuz they are meant to be tank hunting

Officers shouldn't have guns, cuz they are meant to be leading - Increases teamwork if he has to surround himself with guys with guns to survive

I think you get the point.

Let the players do well or make mistakes, just give them the realistic options in any given situation.

I've used a MEC chopper as a gunship before, we hunted a lonewolf logitruck and destroyed it, are you saying that I should have gotten a BRDM from 1k away to come back to our main just to kill this thing when it was safe and effective for my crew to do it?

QFT here.

Forced teamwork is as silly as this actuly sounds and what is going on to much as of late.
would elaberate but has been said by alot of old PR vets when .8 came out vets who are no longer with us because of such sillyness.

[lucky.BOY]

Firstly - the door guns are IRL used as defensive guns, because thea are so inacurate that you can just suppres the threat until you extract the squad and get out. Actually they are facing sides or back, not front like in attack choppers, obviusly. Once again, thier primary objective is to suppres, not to kill.
On that chinook idea, sounds good to me, but it definately must be a HMG. But do you expect the gunner to be something like gunner in apache, i mean member of sq, with a pilot kit, or it will be same as in BH?
On the topic of attacking trans choppers, if you have an opurtunity to kill something, why dont you kill it? But using a trans chopper mainly as an attack platform makes it shot down. Its still too weak and fat, as said above.