EFP IEDs

[CanuckCommander]

Hello,

I've been playing a lot of INS lately and been using the Arty IEDs to great effect against BLUFOR armor and DAMN that weapon is fun! I was thinking perhaps more VARIETY can be added to the INS anti-armor arsenal, for fun and for more difficulty (EFPs are directional, so people have to time it well). I was thinking to myself, what's better than an arty IED against armor? An EFP IED.

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(Found another vid depicting a EFP, so I swapped out the one in which real people, American soldiers, probably died. But the link is still there if you want to view it. I just don't want to spread a bad message).

EFP IEDs are very good against armor. Here's what it can do to an up-armored Humvee.



Now, I don't know how to code or make such a thing by myself (no access to modeling software, etc), so please don't respond with "if you want it, make it yourself!" BUT, I do have ideas on how this can be accomplished if someone is willing to make it. In concept, it's relatively simple I think.

First, you'll need a 3d model and basically it's just a Cylinder with a cone facing inwards.



Very easy to make and the textures shouldn't be too hard as well.

Next, is the coding for the explosion of the EFP IED.

Well, since the device is directional, I think we can copy some code from the Claymore. Except, in this case, the EFP have a very narrow cone of damage. I think it should be powerful enough to defeat most armor. Just think of it as a very powerful anti-armor claymore or a directional Arty IED. As for the specific amount of damage and other values, I'll leave that to the military advisers and coders to determine.

Lastly, is the coding for the planting of the EFP IED.

I think there should be 2 deployment modes for this IED.

1 is sideways like this.



2 is UPWARDS and is planted underground like the Arty IED, so it is meant to penetrate a tank's armor from below.

Hope you guys like my suggestion and that maybe someone will pick this up and make it.

Thanks

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[jack2141]

If anyone's read the Boy soldier series by Andy Mcnab, I think one of the characters makes one of these with semtex and scrap metal.

[JohnnyTheIED]

We have a EFP model already, Only needs to be skinned.

But mostly, Needs to be accepted by DEVs


Here: EFP model by boilerrat

[Potilas]

Im truly amazed about the punch of such a small cylinder! Hell yeah! I want those asap. Size looks like about same than claymore. Could those EFP IEDs replace insurgent combat engineer claymore perhaps? What about if u could choose EFP IED instead of claymores for the rifleman-AP by cliking right mouse button?

[Moonlight]

Thing is those are not anti-personel but designet to punch through armor so i doubt that given them (if even introduced) to rifleman Anti-personel would be a good idea. Anyway might nice to have some kind of medium-power-anti-vehicle ied.

[CanuckCommander]

Thing is those are not anti-personel but designet to punch through armor so i doubt that given them (if even introduced) to rifleman Anti-personel would be a good idea. Anyway might nice to have some kind of medium-power-anti-vehicle ied.

Well if you take a look at that picture with the damage humvee, you can imagine what it can do to INF if it can do that do armor. The explosion causes the copper to fly at hypervelocity which can cut into people like hot knife through butter. However, I doubt it is as effective as a claymore with hundreds of ball bearings made specifically to defeat INF as an area effect.

I was thinking that the EFP kit for the INS would be a limited kit like the arty IED, it is for pick up. For the taliban, it would be an alternative to the combat engineer kit by right click selection.

[Smurf_39]

I think its a sound idea, but if my mission is to blow a tank up ill use 2/3 ied's(rearm at the cache etc)

but i dont think the choice of that video is good idea tbh, using that clip to showcase the power of efp for game purpose's i think its unnecessary........my opinion.

[CanuckCommander]

I think its a sound idea, but if my mission is to blow a tank up ill use 2/3 ied's(rearm at the cache etc)

but i dont think the choice of that video is good idea tbh, using that clip to showcase the power of efp for game purpose's i think its unnecessary........my opinion.

I realize the video may be a bit controversial, but I bet people would not care or object at all if I linked a FLIR video of an Apache helicopter killing insurgents with 30mm and hellfires in order to demonstrate the real power of the weapons for the improvement of in-game Apaches. Some may say "it's okay, they are insurgents, the bad guys," but in the end, both videos are portraying real life, real injuries and real death, therefore they are essentially equal. You may call me out for having "bad-taste," but I'm just trying to show what happens in real warfare, which is what this MOD is trying to simulate. People have double standards.

War is hell. Those soldiers know that when they go out there, and it doesn't stop them. I'm all for supporting the troops.

[Nehil]

Hmm, interesting. I think it would fit gameplay quite nicely. I've always thought that the arty IED was a bit too effective against armor (but what do I know). I'd think a 105mm shell exploding 5-10 meters would have little to no effect aginst a M1A1.

Instead, we could have one arty IED kit and one EFP IED kit on maps like Fallujah. I give this idea a thumbs up.

[Scared_420]

would be very interesting if could make it kill soldiers inside the apc but not destroy the apc itself, i bet thats hardcoded though

[rushn]

not really hardcoded you used to be able to kill soldiers inside APCs with molotov( was not intended and was a exploit) but I think it is hard to do since it is not flaming liquid

maybe have the vehicle malfunction and quit like what the choppers do???

[boilerrat]

JDAM code, kill regardless of cover?

[Rudd]

Less, but more powerful IEDs is the best way to go imo, rewarding strategy rather than explosive spam

a directional IED like this would be pretty interesting

[CanuckCommander]

would be very interesting if could make it kill soldiers inside the apc but not destroy the apc itself, i bet thats hardcoded though

Look at the picture of the humvee though. Does it look drivable to you? lol. EFPs or Multiple EFPs (MEFPs) send fragments of super fast metal toward a target. It's kind of like a shot gun except it's very effective against armor targets.

According to wiki (fail sauce), EFPs are generally believe to be able to penetrate metal armor as thick as half the diameter (radius) of the metal lining, which is the actual "cap" slash projectile of the IED. So if the lining looks to be about 30cm in diameter, it is safe to say it'll at least go through 15cm of metal armor at optimum range.

Although that is only data against "metal" armor, I don't think composite armor is that impenetrable. We will need a military expert to confirm whether an EFP can destroy an Abrams or any other modern main battle tank because they use composite armor.



Don't know how deep it penetrated though.

Less, but more powerful IEDs is the best way to go imo, rewarding strategy rather than explosive spam

a directional IED like this would be pretty interesting

Yea. Additionally, I think this IED is very much different from the arty IED. With arty IED, you have to expose yourself much more to go into the open and place it in the middle of the road. With the EFP, you can probably place it 20-30 meters away from the road in a nearby alleyway or bush. The challenge is to detonate the charge at the right time since it is directional.

[DevilDog812]

i like this idea
here are some pics from apacheclips:



as you can see, it didnt penetrate the abrams, but it ripped the humvee pretty good
however, damage differs with different sizes etc

[CanuckCommander]

i like this idea
here are some pics from apacheclips:


as you can see, it didnt penetrate the abrams, but it ripped the humvee pretty good
however, damage differs with different sizes etc

Yea, modern composite armor is tough. I think it also depends on whether the IED was covered by dirt and where the tank is hit. A buried EFP I think may be devastating to the thinner underbelly of tanks though. I think the build quality is also a factor. Since it's an IED, I don't think it would be as good as this. lol.



So cool. I want in PR lol.

[Bob_Marley]

I realize the video may be a bit controversial, but I bet people would not care or object at all if I linked a FLIR video of an Apache helicopter killing insurgents with 30mm and hellfires in order to demonstrate the real power of the weapons for the improvement of in-game Apaches. Some may say "it's okay, they are insurgents, the bad guys," but in the end, both videos are portraying real life, real injuries and real death, therefore they are essentially equal.

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