Sniping in game and real life

[Cassius]

With only 30 people on the map snipers can move with relative freedom and do things like setting up in the back of the enemy, to snipe him while he thinks he is in cover and healing himself. How realistic is that ? Do snipers irl take such huge risks like setting up in a flanking position or behind enemy lines to engage targets, or is that rather gamy ?

[gazzthompson]

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9/10 the latter, with specific larger planned deliberate ops using more specialist roles as int collection, and when the assaultgoes in you resort to FSG role and FAC if roled by FSG commander. The vast majority of work though is manning compounds as a longer ranged weapon platform or manning OPs on the high ground.

[Wraith]

I know the US military is moving to an "Advanced Sniper" setup. Instead of 2 man sniper teams they are moving to a 4-6 man teams and putting MUCH more emphasis on Intelligence gathering.

[Pariel]

I know the US military is moving to an "Advanced Sniper" setup. Instead of 2 man sniper teams they are moving to a 4-6 man teams and putting MUCH more emphasis on Intelligence gathering.

This is what Marine Scout Sniper platoons have been doing since Vietnam. Four men, mainly intended to gather intelligence, not shoot people.

[telecam]

I know the US military is moving to an "Advanced Sniper" setup. Instead of 2 man sniper teams they are moving to a 4-6 man teams and putting MUCH more emphasis on Intelligence gathering.

yeah but you cant really have that ingame. Already lacking infy on most servers.

[Herbiie]

With only 30 people on the map snipers can move with relative freedom and do things like setting up in the back of the enemy, to snipe him while he thinks he is in cover and healing himself. How realistic is that ? Do snipers irl take such huge risks like setting up in a flanking position or behind enemy lines to engage targets, or is that rather gamy ?

Entirely depends on the environment the Sniper is in. Gaz's experience is in counter-insurgency work, and is not always 100% relevant to PR, which is out right warfare rather than counter-insurgency (except insurgency mode ).

[Gaz]

I know the US military is moving to an "Advanced Sniper" setup. Instead of 2 man sniper teams they are moving to a 4-6 man teams and putting MUCH more emphasis on Intelligence gathering.

Interesting info. Half my platoon originally came from other platoons that would be classed as ISTAR assets. AT - Jav/MILAN being the best optics system other than what the C2 has for us, Recce Pl being the most prominent in the int role and usually teams deploying for int and movement reporting/location overwatch were 1 sniper, 2 recce, and 1 AT. We have only deployed in training like this, and I thought it was a good idea for longer term obs taskings, instead of clear 'send it' taskings. UKSF have been operating like this since the Falklands (granted, at a far higher level). I did ops in 4 man OP teams as far back as 2003, but was attached elsewhere temporarily at that stage.

Every sniper is still trained individually, as has been the case for many years. You're doing your obs, shooting, ranging, fieldcraft, nav and stalking on your own as an individual effort. Upon badging (qualification), you will operate in peacetime as pairs within the Bn ORBAT and for training (the more traditional trigger/spotter), and until Afghan, deployed for the likes of BATUS like this, usually in 2-4 pairs. Usually the trigger men would be the junior of the pair, with the more experienced being the eyes/spotter. If trigger gets a kill, it's not his, it's the spotter's claim. He does all the maths. Experience counts on a shot. With the current tempo, even the junior lads are extremely competent with the windage tables, and are very effective as single elements (as seen on attachments to FOBs etc). Great for the discipline imo, and because of my rank I admit I'm jealous at the operational time the younger lads are getting to perfect their skill. In very recent times, the whole training discipline of basic marksmanship within the Army has changed to a current theatre specific structure. Not a bad thing. For one, the basic annual test is harder which should go some way to 'forcing' an improvement in marksmanship throughtout all arms for UK Forces. As this is sniper pl's bread and butter, we are still jealous of the US mil's level of basic level marksmanship. I personally look on in envy at the ability of support troops to be effective marksmen within the US. We still run rings round you guys in terms of patrolling/tabbing, where being big feckers means very little though Support arms cannot hit sh1t half the time, and tend to require 1 to 1 coaching for a protracted period to enable them to pass even the previous APWT, which is a disgrace imo.

@telecam, the thread title asks about 'real life' too buddy

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Entirely depends on the environment the Sniper is in. Gaz's experience is in counter-insurgency work, and is not always 100% relevant to PR, which is out right warfare rather than counter-insurgency (except insurgency mode ).

My last operational trigger work was during the 2003 ground war. A full scale war, not an insurgency. That stuff all kicked off in 2004, which Allied forces were caught on their back foot about. I was never allowed to carry out my current qualification in NI as a junior soldier. It was too '"visually aggressive". I take your point in regards to Afghan etc when comparing it to PR's battlespace though; you are right. Now I get to mix my experiences

[Adetter]

There is different between combat sniper and sniper, like in PR it is a combat medic. And in PR, its a combat sniper, to give long range support, not for assasination missions.(like in the stupid hollys)

[dennis278]

A sniper is a highly trained marksman who shoots targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the capabilities of regular personnel. Snipers typically have specialized training and distinct high-precision rifles.
In addition to marksmanship, military snipers are also trained in camouflage, field craft, infiltration, reconnaissance and observation.[1] Snipers are especially effective when deployed within the urban terrain of urban warfare.

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[Gaz]

A sniper is a highly trained marksman who shoots targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the capabilities of regular personnel. Snipers typically have specialized training and distinct high-precision rifles.
In addition to marksmanship, military snipers are also trained in camouflage, field craft, infiltration, reconnaissance and observation.[1] Snipers are especially effective when deployed within the urban terrain of urban warfare.

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hmmm, dennis see my bold. I would disagree with this. Not explioting the range of your weapon system is taking your tactical advantage away. Harder to snap shoot opportunity/fleeting targets with a high mag bolt action rifle than with a semi or automatic wepon ranged to 300m as standard. If you have operated in these circumstances, you will know about matrixes that are typically no more than 200m is length. That's more suited to conventional weapons tbh in terms of suppression and chance of a hit. Whoever wrote that on wikipedia has watched too much Enemy at the Gates

There is different between combat sniper and sniper, like in PR it is a combat medic. And in PR, its a combat sniper, to give long range support, not for assasination missions.(like in the stupid hollys)

Within a western military, there actually isn't. We complete our basic to teach us the skills much lauded in hollywood films. We have operational experience/continuation/OPTAG to teach the lads COIN disciplines. While the role can range from theatre to theatre, it's still the same individual adapting rapidly.

As per combat in the past 10 years, snipers irl posess the required skills to operate within the confines (or lack of) within PR as it stands. New snipers learn the skills shown in PR first prior to any COIN skills they may train for after qualification. I must make it clear I am taking about UK Forces snipers, although I am guessing the US are just as clued up on this.



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[CareBear]

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[LithiumFox]

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[Gaz]

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didn't you collect your dole on Wednesday?

[Arnoldio]

Lol you have Ding Chavez in R6:RS

If you dont mind the offtopic.

[Truism]

I know the Australian Army fiddles around with Sniper Quads as well, but that's neither here nor there.

A question Gaz, how do you feel about the role snipers take in PR at the moment? Do you like what you see, do you think they maintain similar capabilities to real life snipers and do you think they use these capabilities in the same way?

[Herbiie]

My last operational trigger work was during the 2003 ground war. A full scale war, not an insurgency. That stuff all kicked off in 2004, which Allied forces were caught on their back foot about. I was never allowed to carry out my current qualification in NI as a junior soldier. It was too '"visually aggressive". I take your point in regards to Afghan etc when comparing it to PR's battlespace though; you are right. Now I get to mix my experiences

I bow down to your superior knowledge, godliness, and all round perfection