Removal of the attack Loach/Little Bird on insurgency as a whole

[drs79]

Forgive me I am re-posting (I didn't see any mention in the already suggested, suggestions).

The suggestions is just based on my experiences on Ramiel and Karbala. It is a shame but the majority of the time the attack little bird is used in a way that comprises of circling around and around an area while openly firing on the target/targets.

On Karbala, the addition of a transport little bird and the removal of the attack little bird could enable troops to gain advantages/helping out the CO for enemy movements and possible caches where the UAV cannot see.

- Also allow for insertion of soldiers to take down caches which are not visible to the naked eye i.e. caches on top of buildings/roofs.

On Ramiel it would take away the spamming attacks (circular movements) as seen on Karbala, and also help possibly with some lag issues associated with it.

The only helicopter on Ramiel would be the BH, or maybe 2 BH's? Though I have heard lag problems associated with helo's on Ramiel, but mostly with players who do not have the most advanced CPU's and video cards.

[DeltaFart]

Honestly I dont see hwy the AH6 is still used considering its a Spec Op helo

[Hotrod525]

Honestly I dont see hwy the AH6 is still used considering its a Spec Op helo

The U.S.Army in P.R. had no "TAG-UNIT" wich mean, it could be the 82nd on Silent Eagle, the 160th SOAR on INS map, the 10th Mountain Div in Kashan...etc...

the AH6 do not belong to S.O.COM. it belong to the U.S.Ar.

The fact that U.S.Ar. is not a particular unit allow R-Dev to alot more freedom, just like Canadian Force arent R22eR infantry or PPCLI etc... Infact same for every faction.


Yeah we do use the AH6 the way it says above, but thats the most effective way to do so ingame.

On Karbala i laid down suppress fire, rocket pass etc... for more than a hour with the same chopper providing my team the cover they where needed to move. .

Also consider you're self "kinda" lucky they do not add AH64D on every map that USAr are in, cause in real life, they got plenty of air cover, way much more than depicted in P.R.

[PaveHawk]

I like the idea of removing them. But my reasoning is because I hate when they are used to destroy a cache. I've seen it happen so many times. The insurgency has set up a good defense that has already repelled 2-3 waves of attack. Then out of no where the lb pops up and in the span of a 3-5 second burst the cache is gone. It would be one thing if the insurgency could build AA guns near the hideouts. Don't get me wrong. I don't care if the LB is there supporting the troops or circling around. That's easy to counter. I just don't think it should be taking out the caches.

[snooggums]

I agree for game play reasons, if it is left the caches should be immune like they are to artillery, to force infantry to remove the cache itself.

I would enjoy a non-armed littlebird with only the two seats used as a spotter, although I'm not sure if they are used that way in reality.

[Jafar Ironclad]

I can't quite remember who stated it, but isn't the gunship lb basically serving as a placeholder for the OH-58 Kiowa Warrior?

[alberto_di_gio]

I really have no idea about the usage of LBs in U.S.Ar. or how much they add plus to a war but I have to say that until now as BLUFOR I did not get any great good from them. And as a INS I really don't worry them any at all. So on both ways I play as they do not exist so I don't really care if they stay or leave.

[Tim270]

Transport ones would be so much more useful.

[Sniper77shot]

Why would you remove something you can shoot down with an ak-47.

Reality mod is based on realism, for example would they say no we can't use our MBT because it is unfair to insurgents, or No we can't use an Apache because insurgents don't have any attack helicopters. Transport is fair, now you don't have rockets and machine guns raining hell on you, you just have guys shooting down on you from the little bird, but you can take it down so easy so is there any point.

When Sangin is released people will complain that it is unbalanced, so what as long as any team can win it is fine. In Fh2 there is a map called Anctoville 1944 people say Germany can't win you know what I say it is a lie, you know why because I have a picture of Germany winning.



The maps should be left alone, when they are removed people will suggest for it to be added again, so just leave the maps alone.

[Jedimushroom]

The developers have stated on numerous occasions that gameplay trumps realism in many if not most cases. And to be fair the use of an AH-6 by a standard US Army unit is hardly realistic in itself.

[burghUK]

Were you on NWA today when i raping with LB? thus holding a grudge against them?

i disagree the lbs are fun.

[chrisweb89]

A little cocky are we? I don't think he wants them removed just because you're such an awesome pilot. I would like it if they put reall attack choppers on the maps like an apache and what karabala used to have remove the LBs completely, I think they're fun to use but I just don't see their place in conventional forces.

[TristanYockell]

If insurgents/ talib get to place HMG's/AA emplacements, then give the coalition gun ships all you wish.

I always found it very odd that insurgents cant place AA nests?. As long as you have a hideout down, you should be able to put a MG or AA nest in its general vacinity. It's just one more incentive to place and build hideouts anyway.

I see alot of insurgent/tali squads that just piss around and don't build hideouts, need a little more reward perhaps.

Lets face it, it wont be a gameplay killer anyway, insurgents in a static postion will get flanked, sniped, or pummeled by armour eventually anyhow.

[Archerchef]

dude lb totally balances karabala out. and ramiel's lb need hydras. if you go into the city as infantry, your probably not going to recieve fire support from apc or tanks because most likely they will be destroyed. thats where the lb comes in. you need some kind of fire support when your stuck in a city with a bunch of insurgents. they usually call in a jdam or artillery but thats only available every 30-60 mins until we implant it in the game
soo.. realism vs balance

[Bringerof_D]

the problem i really only see is they way it's used. in insurgency situations you are fighting in a populated area. using unguided high explosive rockets use would probably IRL be very limited and limited to open areas where all targets are confirmed hostile.

i support the removal idea but only if something else is added to balance. i mean players are hard coded and right now the use of the little bird isnt tactical or realistic at all. its used along the lines of "OOH i see a guy, lets shoot" or "lots of running people, let fly the missiles!"

[alberto_di_gio]

i disagree the lbs are fun.

Did ever any LB gave my squad air support while we are searching 4 a cache...Nope!
Did I ever get any useful solid intelligence from LBs...Nope!
Did I ever see a LB chasing bomb cars or GARY to eliminate...Nope
Should it stay just because its fun to fly with...Nope

i support the removal idea but only if something else is added to balance.

well... I guess by balancing you mean something should be added to INS side because removal of LBs means another 2 or 4 BLUFOR soldier will be included into active fighting which is much more vital than LBs for sure

my personal experience and thinking pls no offense

[Alex6714]

Did ever any LB gave my squad air support while we are searching 4 a cache...Nope!
Did I ever get any useful solid intelligence from LBs...Nope!
Did I ever see a LB chasing bomb cars or GARY to eliminate...Nope
Should it stay just because its fun to fly with...Nope

Because its a paper coffin with a magnet perhaps? Did you even try to communicate with one?

[alberto_di_gio]

Because its a paper coffin with a magnet perhaps? Did you even try to communicate with one?

First you have to ask me if I ever see one alive at the time of need

You may call me wrong of course but I also think no reservations should be needed when you see tens of small dots on the map trying to reach the red diamond

But you are right that with the metal coffin thing so thats becasue I support the removal of it. Or at least replace the one for two person only with a 3+1 or 5+1 model (AH/MH-6J) so that at least they can assist squads logistically.

[Dunehunter]

I dunno, I've had some pretty effective runs in games where I got good intel from squads on the ground. "suicide car *grid location*, please take it out", stuff like that.

[Kain888]

Did ever any LB gave my squad air support while we are searching 4 a cache...Nope!
Did I ever get any useful solid intelligence from LBs...Nope!
Did I ever see a LB chasing bomb cars or GARY to eliminate...Nope

I have opposite experiences. LB with good coordination and teamwork are lethal. Not always, but it's the same with APCs, they often don't support and transport troops when some guys just want to use it as tanks, should we remove them? I don't think so...