Closer air support, when squadleading do you call it in or dont you bother with it

[Oddsodz]

iv call in CAS on anything that i feel my squad is unable to kill or get around to get to are goal. but it is always fun to call that CAS from a A10 on that sniper.

And that is one way of getting it wrong. You should call in CAS 1st and then think about getting your squad to kill the target 2nd. The reason for this is simple. If you laze it and CAS comes and kills it. You have not given you POS away. The OP4 do not know where you are or how many of you are there. It keeps you squad alive with little risk of exposure. Remember, Stealth is always better in your hands than the OP4. If they don't know where you are, they can't kill you. CAS should never be an after though. It should be the 1st weapon of choice if you have CAS available.

And it still bugs me the amount of players that put all the nice map marks on the screen, But forget (or have not learned) to actuality put a lazier box (green box) on the target. As the noob DBzao has said. It's a learning issue. Players have not learned how to do it. Maybe a nice little piece of text in the GTLD telling the user "press fire for green lazier box" would be a nice hint.

[Cassius]

I thought pressing T and spamming target laze did the lazing untill the pilot in mumble told me he got no laze.

[dbzao]

One of the reasons I removed that message.

[myles]

If theres ever aromur on a jet map or attck heli i laze it somtimes inf

[Murkey]

And it still bugs me the amount of players that put all the nice map marks on the screen, But forget (or have not learned) to actuality put a lazier box (green box) on the target. As the noob DBzao has said. It's a learning issue. Players have not learned how to do it. Maybe a nice little piece of text in the GTLD telling the user "press fire for green lazier box" would be a nice hint.

Quoted for truth - I must admit it wasn't until after over a year of playing PR and a fair amount of SL'ing that I figured that one out.

Maybe one of the hints on the loading screen "Left clcik with GLTDs to laze targets"

Yeah CAS works wonders and can be an infantryman's best friend when done correctly.

[Cassius]

Yeah CAS works wonders and can be an infantryman's best friend when done correctly.

Thats an understatement. Good air support is as close to cheating as it gets, in game and irl.

It more than equalizied the allies not so good tanks against what the Germans fielded, kept the Americans in Vietnam until they got tired of playing and today the airforce is what makes or breaks a modern army.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

I think the biggest problem we have regarding CAS is teamwork.

The infantries job is to assure that in the aircraft's attack area there is no AA (sure we can miss it sometimes).

Conversely no General would send infantry into an area patrolled by a Cobra or attack Huey.

Using Muttrah as an example:

If one of the attack heli's is up, MEC should stop their advance build FOB's with AA and man them until the heli's are down, check the timer and know they are OK for 20 minutes.

Conversely if the US are calling for CAS they should check known and frequently used FOB and AA positions, take a little time with the GLTD on a high roof before calling, and ofc if spotted mark it (SL marker) on the map, then call CAS onto the AA position. Then and only then can you call the CAS for other targets

That is what I believe is the most ticket prudent route, but requires patience, comms and teamwork.

The laze timing can be an issue though, would a pilot text on commo rose such as ready for lazes, or on station for CAS be useful, when the pilot is rearmed and standing by the SL's know it's time to call and laze targets leaving the pilot to do multiple CAS attacks in one or two runs before rearming?

[Cassius]

Did I really write closER air support o.O ?

[BlackwaterSaxon]

Thats an understatement. Good air support is as close to cheating as it gets, in game and irl.

It more than equalizied the allies not so good tanks against what the Germans fielded, kept the Americans in Vietnam until they got tired of playing and today the airforce is what makes or breaks a modern army.

To be honest, the impact of CAS during WW2 is difficult to determine, since it only became a possibility after the Luftwaffe ground forces had run off in Normandy, German tanks weren't much of a problem for allied armour, despite what people read in their Osprey wafer-thin books, since the Germans didn't have numbers on their side.

As for PR, CAS works well in your head, it all depends on what sort of team you have and whether or not there's actually some teamwork going, else it's a pointless exercise.

[Cassius]

To be honest, the impact of CAS during WW2 is difficult to determine, since it only became a possibility after the Luftwaffe ground forces had run off in Normandy, German tanks weren't much of a problem for allied armour, despite what people read in their Osprey wafer-thin books, since the Germans didn't have numbers on their side.

As for PR, CAS works well in your head, it all depends on what sort of team you have and whether or not there's actually some teamwork going, else it's a pointless exercise.

I try to pick servers which emphasize teamwork. When cas does work it annihilates the enemy. Cas got me out of trouble many times. But yes on public servers its often of no use, either you have trainee pilots or nobody bothers to call it in and laze.

[TheOldBreed]

this one time, at band camp..haha. this one time, in Karbala, not even 10 minutes into the round my squad was taking fire from several real bad muslims on the roof of this high rise. so i lazed that sucker up, a little bird came in and totally destroyed it with rockets. probably the best thing i've ever seen.

i didn't use to, but i've been using area attacks a lot more recently. artillery is the sheeyit.

[sakils2]

this one time, at band camp..haha. this one time, in Karbala, not even 10 minutes into the round my squad was taking fire from several real bad muslims on the roof of this high rise. so i lazed that sucker up, a little bird came in and totally destroyed it with rockets. probably the best thing i've ever seen.

i didn't use to, but i've been using area attacks a lot more recently. artillery is the sheeyit.

[mangeface]

I use CAS a lot. I've had an A-10 drop bombs directly on me when my squad was overrun and dead on Silent Eagle. It was awesome, pulled out my GTLD and just lazed my position, and said "I swear to god, I'll forgive you. Just kill the ********."

[sakils2]

Ha ha thats pretty awesome and cold

[rampo]

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spam that doesnt even make sense

back on topic though i like using CAS alot but as everyone else pretty much figured its allmost only effective when the whole team is on mumble and squadleaders and pilots are on the SQL channel

ah and OldBreed please can you refer to insurgents instead of muslims...


Edit: Abstain from quoting spambots, thank you.

[Moonlight]

See young lads? Even spambots use CAS.

[TheOldBreed]

ha okay guys sorry. but they in reality, they are

[mangeface]

ha okay guys sorry. but they in reality, they are

Yes, we know they are. But they aren't all bad. That's why we use Insurgents, to refer to a certain group of people.