J DAM Fallujah west

[stealth420]

Ive read some first hand accounts on the battle of fallujah.

I read that resistance in Fallujah was so fierce , that they had to Jdam or Bomb almost every city block to clear it out before moving in. This was done by Air support ranging from A10's to F18's.


This suggestion is for a 20 minute Jdam count on fallujah west instead of artillery. To make the map more realistic and demonstrate that the U.S. will bomb your whole city if needed to clear out enemy.

[Xbrad150X]

lol , overkill much

[stealth420]

Over kill ??????

I didnt even mention the ulimted air support by Kiowa helicopters.

Not to mention the Squadrons of Apache super cobras that supported the ground troops through the whole battle.

[Web_cole]

Gameplay > Realism

[Imchicken1]

I agree with Web Cole. Gamplay > realism

aka: JDAM on fallujah= BAD.

Insurgents are somewhat underpowered as it is.

[Zimmer]

I have said it sometime now, but I can say it again,

Project Reality is a misleading title name and should not be taken litteraly, the whole point of the mod is to make it so it has a realistic feeling and you are awarded to play a little more realistic then in other shooters. Its also made to promote teamwork and to deploy tactics.

Project Reality is not made to portray actual happenings, but rather portray it inside a gameplay manner you can deploy on fallujah and the map will kinda look like Fallujah and you have the same sides, but thats where realism ends and gameplay starts.

[AquaticPenguin]

Ive read some first hand accounts on the battle of fallujah.

I read that resistance in Fallujah was so fierce , that they had to Jdam or Bomb almost every city block to clear it out before moving in. This was done by Air support ranging from A10's to F18's.


This suggestion is for a 20 minute Jdam count on fallujah west instead of artillery. To make the map more realistic and demonstrate that the U.S. will bomb your whole city if needed to clear out enemy.

Despite the fact that you have failed to cite any sources, and you're subject knowledge is based on how cool you think the US military is, how would this help gameplay in the slightest? It would break the maps balance, and wouldn't do much other than frustrate the insurgent team as they get bombarded, or their caches get taken down by yet another lazy/boring JDAM.

I'm also pretty sure that real life militaries wouldn't blow up a city just for the hell of it, in a war that is supposed to capture hearts and minds, killing a large amount of civilian populace isn't very helpful.

[Foxxy]

Jesus Christ, do you want to kill everyone on the map!!??????!!!!

but on a more serious note

Gameplay > Realisim

[Pronck]

I was thinking about a Map called "Fallujah" which shows the whole city, a 4KM map, with air-support, and a special Insurgency mod for it. So just like the 0.87 version, where you need to take down 10 Caches, and get 20 tickets for it, so the will get more air-support. But also trucks with AA on it (20MM-4 Barrel), and things like that so you get more big-scale battles.

[myles]

USMC have alot power on fallujah a hole cahce area would be too easy to move in on if there was a JDAm

[ytman]

If it was a 4 KM Fallujah then maybe. Just maybe... but I'd rather support a F16 on such a map. Those Jdams are much much less powerful, and if they didn't destroy caches it'd be balanced.

[Web_cole]

If it was a 4 KM Fallujah then maybe. Just maybe... but I'd rather support a F16 on such a map. Those Jdams are much much less powerful, and if they didn't destroy caches it'd be balanced.

I'm not so sure about that, Jets can operate with relative impunity from AA, and with Insurgents obviously not having any air power, it could end up being very imbalanced.

[Xbrad150X]

I'd rather leave fallujah the way it is.

An F16 on ins are you serious!?

4km+f16+fallujah+JDAM=Failujah....

[Drunkenup]

"I read that resistance in Fallujah was so fierce , that they had to Jdam or Bomb almost every city block to clear it out before moving in. This was done by Air support ranging from A10's to F18's."

Not really..... The second battle for fallujah was fierce, but collateral damage was number one if anything. Even though Fallujah received much damage, as much as 30% of the infrastructure was damaged or demolished, the use of bombing every city block as you've said would be unreasonable at the least. I don't think OH-58Ds, nor AH-64s were used extensively as you vaguely explained. All I could dig up were the involvement of HMM-161, HMLA-775, HMLA-167, and VFA-131. All either flying CH-46s, UH-1N's, AH-1Ws, or F/A-18Cs.

Enough of my bickering, the Dev's had to make a choice between either one, its not like Artillery wasn't extensively during the First and Second battles of Fallujah, because Battery C of 1st Battalion 12th Marines, fired over 1,500 artillery rounds during the battle of fallujah.
The game cannot do utilize both JDAMs and Arty, one had to be chosen. And to my personal belief, JDAMs are only in use where Arty cannot be used, i.e. amphibious assaults like Barracuda, and Muttrah, unlike Fallujah.

[Jaymz]

The JDAM we have in-game is not representative of ones used in Iraq. Those used in Iraq are fairly conservative power wise to reduce collateral damage. What we have in-game is one of the big boys, so to speak.

source : read most reports regarding JDAMs in Iraq, they're most commonly 500lb variants with exceptions in cases where fire was being taken from houses in the middle of open ground.

[Drunkenup]

The JDAM we have in-game is not representative of ones used in Iraq. Those used in Iraq are fairly conservative power wise to reduce collateral damage. What we have in-game is one of the big boys, so to speak.

source : read most reports regarding JDAMs in Iraq, they're most commonly 500lb variants with exceptions in cases where fire was being taken from houses in the middle of open ground.

I'm guessing were using the 2k lbs GBU-31s for the area attack JDAM?

[Jaymz]

1000lb for commander requested guided bomb
500lb for guided bombs on jets and Gary

[Sniper77shot]

We all love Gary don't we.

I think leaving it how it is should be fine until there is a 4km Falujah. I mean sure it would be realistic but on a 1km map that already has tanks and bradleys the insurgents already have it tough.

[USMCMIDN]

Despite the fact that you have failed to cite any sources, and you're subject knowledge is based on how cool you think the US military is, how would this help gameplay in the slightest? It would break the maps balance, and wouldn't do much other than frustrate the insurgent team as they get bombarded, or their caches get taken down by yet another lazy/boring JDAM.

I'm also pretty sure that real life militaries wouldn't blow up a city just for the hell of it, in a war that is supposed to capture hearts and minds, killing a large amount of civilian populace isn't very helpful.

Fallujah JDAM

Marine close air support hammers terrorists in Fallujah with precision JDAM

New Smart Bomb For Fallujah Assault [500lb GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM)]

The Fallujah Model

Many Many more.... but the JDAMs were not as powerful as traditional ones....

US Military coolness um....

http://supportyourlocalgunfighter.com/w ... iscope.png (yes I know it is from a movie but if its in Hollywood it must be real...)

http://www.funmeme.com/image.axd?pictur ... _thumb.jpg

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http://www.nuffy.net/pics/funny/1/funny ... rmy_03.jpg

http://www.visualjokes.com/funny/funny% ... ankads.jpg

http://www.photopumpkin.com/wp-content/ ... bama-8.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_j4SmoTqBAQA/Sg7K0 ... 5B2%5D.jpg

Yeah I do not think anyone is cooler than US (get it because us is spelled like US hehe)



getting back on subject looking a little bit online JDAMs were used but they were not as large as traditional ones and again...

game play > reality

[Smash]

In response to:
"I'm also pretty sure that real life militaries wouldn't blow up a city just for the hell of it, in a war that is supposed to capture hearts and minds, killing a large amount of civilian populace isn't very helpful.

In No True Glory: A Frontline Account of the Battle of Fallujah, it's explained how George Bush basically shit a brick when he saw american bodies(Blackwater security guys, 1 a former SEAL) being desecrated/burnt/hung from a bridge by a cheerful mob of adults and children.

The order came down to literally "assault the city" and the rest is history.

(been a while since I've read it but I believe that's what happened)