=HOG= (North America)

[Clark]

If someone has been asked to not fly, it's because they've either admitted to having a jumpy ping, or they could clearly not fly and need to use a training server. We do this to preserve the fun for those that like to ride in the helicopters . Being a trans pilot is second to a jet pilot as the toughest stuff to do in PR, and it can really ruin a game when new people just hop in with all that life in their hands.

Hope to see you in game

I disagree, I was kicked and told to visit a "training server", after being shot down while taking two guys to their chosen drop location. I came back in wondering what had just occurred and ran into some pretty arrogant admins/clan members, likening getting shot down in a huey to being "retarded", I was then after pointing out their is a difference between crashing and getting shot down, banned, seemingly also for getting shot down. Honestly if I was such a poor pilot that wouldn't have been the first huey I lost after sitting in the server for about 50 minutes, I had dropped several =HOG= members off previously and none of them at all complained or kicked me. The server had about 21 guys in it at the kick of ban. Another pilot in the trans squad had crashed two hueys into the sea without complaint and the sea cobra pilot crashed it into a mountain after take off, he also received no warning or kick. Needless to say it was the most ridiculous rage fuelled abuse of admin powers I have seen in this, largely, excellent and mature community we are all part of.

I really have not played a lot on your servers, so I cannot say if this is a one of or not, but looking at most of this thread your admins seem to be unpopular with the majority of people. Perhaps something to think about, nevertheless thanks for supporting the mod and myself and my unit wish you all the best in the future.

Regards,

Clark.

[FoxtrotFaulkner22]

I was in game at the time this all happened. Over half the team in chat is begging for you to be removed from the heli. You were only kicked, not banned, and it was with a polite message asking you not to fly a trans heli on our server until you've learned how its done.

Regardless of the other pilots skills(who were in fairness going down just as much as you) you are your own person, so don't say "well the other pilots didn't get kicked." The community didn't ask for them to be grounded, they asked for you to be.

I'm aware you are saying that you were piloting fine, but I'm also 100 percent sure that a majority of the team which you were flying for were the ones saying you were bad and that something needed to be done.

To me, when a majority of your team is telling you "look, you are doing more harm than good. There are only 10-15 players on the team, and you are the third pilot (not necessary in the first place) and you fly like you just installed the game... you keep wasting tickets and assets" you should probably just say, hey, I've obviously done something here to get this kind of flak and maybe I should either put the heli down and go help inf on the ground or go learn on an empty/practice server.

This wasn't some admin on a power trip. This was an admin listening to the community. You got voted off heli island (temporarily I may add). Hell, I hadn't even been inside your chopper, so please don't sit here and say this was an admin on a power trip.

After it happened, you came back to the server and began insulting pubbers, insulting admins, and you were told by a handful of admin to go to the HOG forum if you had an issue. You either didn't read that or didn't care, and a different admin banned you telling you to go the HOG's forums. You can't help but see it then.

If you can't listen to/help your team (pub players), or the admins, or if you are the guy that has to be a third heli pilot on a team of a dozen, then quite frankly you aren't the kind of person that we want on the server anyway. That's apparent by the rant you brought to these forums (once again not following protocol) without trying at all to reserve the matter and by how far you are trying to stretch the truth.

Doing what is wrong seems to be your M.O.

FYI I myself have never banned anyone (I have only personally kicked 10-20 players in 2 years of playing/admining) and you are the first person to be banned after being kicked by me. Everyone else has had the common sense to come talk about it or just leave it alone and come back with a clean slate another round. You sir are numero uno. Be proud.

[Clark]

Okay first of all, I don't fly like I just installed the game and by your own admission you haven't even being transported by me, so you have no idea.

Sorry, but your comments are very wrong and frankly I think you have a case of mistaken identity. I was never "going down" as much as others, as I said that was my first downed heli.

Also I was not the third pilot, I was the first. It my was Huey Squad, then a German chap joined, then another guy joined who as I already said kept downing choppers in the water. Frankly the mob is not always right and I put it to you that you confused me with the third pilot who, by the way, kept asking myself and the German pilot basic control settings. And in your rage at being shot down while I carried you to a drop zone of your choosing banned me for the inconvenience I could not have avoided.


Mistaken identity and a tripper happy admin, not taking the time to step back and look at the situation.

Also once I came back in I insulted no one at all, I was merely trying to figure out what on earth was going on. In fact I was subject to the abuse of the admin, likening me to a "retard". So please don't use that old trick here, it didn't happen.

How can I be the third pilot and also the 'Huey' SL for around 50 minutes?

Yep, I think your admins need to take a step back and think before they pull the trigger.

I should point out I don't wish to argue with you any further, I wish you all the best and simply leave you with the idea that perhaps the manner in which you administrate your server needs to be reviewed, to rule out any mistakes/abuses with the current format.

Regards,

Clark

[Mongalswrath]

Funny how people can change story to fit their own interests.

The other Huey pilots ability to fly is not in question here, yours is.

If it's mistaken identity your worried about, let me say that I was in your chopper - several times. Every time I jumped in, I also found myself crossing my fingers and knocking on wood, trying in vain to bode off the inevitable crash. Your flying skills are so poor that the examples I could give are too numerous to count.

When you were kicked it was in interest of the team, who were begging that you leave the Huey squad. That, plus my recent experiences with you were plenty to warrant a kick. The kick simply stated to learn to fly somewhere else (or something to that effect). This is not admin abuse, or even out of the ordinary. We hand out these warnings nearly every day, and rarely do we hear a complaint.

You were banned because a head admin saw you rejoin the server and start trying to stir things up. You were warned and told by multiple admins to take it to the =HOG= forums.

This is a clear cut case. You were warned, then kicked, before finally being banned.

If you had taken this to the =HOG= forums, and been professional about it, chances are you would have been unbanned. Needless to say you did not, and you continue to stir things up outside of the server. As far as I'm concerned your ban will not be lifted. So don't bother re-posting.

[fuzzhead]

I've registered on the HOG site but its awaiting confirmation before I can access the forums.

In the meantime can an admin from the server send me a PM I just needed to confirm something really quick.

[SolarofDeath]

Astonishing, I have played on this server since its inception. I have never been warned, kicked, or banned at anytime. I think the issues here are that people don't take the time to read the rules before they play the game. Then they get all butt hurt when they get kicked for not obeying the rules. Its not the admins jobs to warn you, its your job to read the rules first. Its the same rules that apply in life, read the instructions before you use the apparatus.

[=HOG=Nelsonc0]

Astonishing, I have played on this server since its inception. I have never been warned, kicked, or banned at anytime. I think the issues here are that people don't take the time to read the rules before they play the game. Then they get all butt hurt when they get kicked for not obeying the rules. Its not the admins jobs to warn you, its your job to read the rules first. Its the same rules that apply in life, read the instructions before you use the apparatus.

If you want I could Kick you for TKing me 6 months ago.

[MasterGypsy]

Astonishing, I have played on this server since its inception. I have never been warned, kicked, or banned at anytime. I think the issues here are that people don't take the time to read the rules before they play the game. Then they get all butt hurt when they get kicked for not obeying the rules. Its not the admins jobs to warn you, its your job to read the rules first. Its the same rules that apply in life, read the instructions before you use the apparatus.

I agree with Solar the only time I have been kicked by a =HOG= admin is for being idle. The admins don't enjoy babysitting a bunch of goof balls. They are on the server to play. It's fairly easy to not get banned by them. They are a great group of guys that I have been playing with for about 2 years. Some of the best server admins out there.

I don't know if this is on topic but whatever.

[FuzzySquirrel]

I'm pretty sure calling people retarded because their team has a squad bug and kicking them for trying to tell the admins it disqualifies you as a "Good Admin"

[Coolio]

Kicked for punishing a teamkill, and I didn't forgive because

1. You can't check a map when shooting?
2. You used a HAT on one guy

Reason was "Learn to forgive an accidental teamkill *******"

Good thing this admin was so mature and just kicked me, and not discuss it. Might as well just banned me, as I won't be playing here again.

[Ali]

I WAS banned for teabagging someone, the reason i do not want to lift my ban is because this server is notorious for admins abusing powers and i dont want to play there again.

I agree. I saw someone kicked for being Idle in the first minute of the Game! I have also witnessed people being banned, not for breaking the rules, because of Admin Decision. They abuse their Admin powers and lose a lot of good Team players.

[Ali]

thank you for the kind words and the feed back...we try to make sure we do what we say we are going to do when it comes to the rules on the server so everyone knows what to except when they play there, we have the rules scrolling in game and on our web site and at the start of this post.

The Rules on your website, your rules here on PR and your in-game rules DO NOT MATCH:

Having read your rules on your website prior to playing, and following them faithfully, as your Server tells people to do, I find it unfair to then expect people to read the in-game, scrolling, rules, interpret, understand and then follow them all, whilst trying to play a good game. In game chat and scrolling notices are often missed by busy, good, players. Your Heavy Asset, in-game scrolling, rule is a typical contradiction; the nearest i can find to that on your website rules is: Name your Squad after the Asset and you get Priority.

Kicking and Banning people that follow your website rules faithfully, that have missed or misunderstood in-game scrolling rules, is rather unfair and aggressive. WARNINGS are enough for most, good, players, but make sure the Warning has been received and understood. We all understand that it is your Server and you can, and do, whatever you want, but you have lost and continue to lose many good Team players.

[Ali]

I tired to play on this server two days ago. Got banned with no warning for "destroying assets" (I blew up the fence by accident that one of the admins built ) . Admin came up to me, shot me and banned me. My friend tried to explain what exactly happened because I was already gone, well he got kicked as well.

Personally I don't care what happens with your server, but if the leaders of that clan will not start looking into the feedback they are getting, they will find themselves playing alone pretty soon. Instead of getting defensive about bad feedback, you should look into it. i understand if you get a bad player or two who will bad mouth your server, but when it's constant, perhaps there is a pattern there

=HOG= Admins have a real problem with feedback. If you dont agree and accept everything, without question, they Ban you from their game server AND website. This is a common experience. Herr Linkman should ensure that he and all Admin follow his own words:

"We like feed back good or bad it is how we improve our self’s...."

=HOG= will soon be playing with themselves

[Ali]

I can tell you that I now advise uFear players not to play on HOG Muttrah server. We always played there, and in fact uFear a_cookie_=D plays there all the time. Today he build a FOB at dock and our squad was holding docks, while second uFear squad attacked North City. Once we got North City to neutral and build FOB there, cookie asked one of the squad members to burn our TOW, so we can build a new TOW at North City. We had to do it because TOW limit was reached. One of your HOG members TKed the squad member that burned TOW, and when we explained why we did it, your HOG admin banned cookie.
I am not going to waste time registering on HOG forums to plea for what is a clearly a wrong ban. You have your server and you can admin it any way you want. But if any admin in uFear puled shit like that, he would loose admin at least for a week. And we would apologize to a player we wronged.
But then we are uFear and we like to make players feel welcome.

Sounds good, and fair to me MyOdessa. I have played with Cookie on =HOG= and he was always a good team player. This is typical of =HOG= and its about time "uFear" and other Clans got together to create a Game-Server that realises that people play to "switch-off" and have fun. Nobody can play a good game with the =HOG=s now. Known and experienced players are kicked and banned and no-one can be sure that they'll be able to finish the game they started. Its too much stress for most people and if =HOG= think that administering the game is stressful then they ought to relax a little and let others enjoy. Kick the idiots, we have no problem with that, but then most =HOG= would be kicked! Is Medicinal Marijuana not yet legal in Virginia??

[Ali]

then give thme some ideas to improve it... such as a easy way to contact admin and a way to report admin issues

I agree. Non-Members (of the HOG website) should have a way of communicating with the Admin. Having to ask for membership simply to post an appeal is crazy. Being banned from their website for stating your side of the story, then not being able to read their reply is crazy. The =HOG= homepage is a disaster. I think its time =HOG= locked their gameserver the same way they lock their website. Let the children play with themselves.

OR:

Make a Public page for all players to report, appeal and read replies is the answer.

If anyone abuses the Public page, i am sure their comments can be "edited" or removed.

[Ali]

Please read read the PR Forum rules :


Just a quick note to everyone:

The Project Reality forums are not to be used as a platform for users to rant/debate being kicked or banned from game servers.

If you are banned for not following a servers rules or server administrators orders and would like to protest or express your feelings on the matter, do so on the corresponding clans/squads website, not here.

This will not be tolerated and can result in your Project Reality forum account being banned.

Just a quick reply, with all due respect:

Clans that use the PR name MUST allow players to appeal kicks and bans on their website, in Public!.
=HOG= does NOT do this, unless you first ask for, and get accepted as a Member. They don't allow banned playersto join and they Ban website members if their Admin don't agree with the Appeal. That is NOT fair, that is NOT in the spirit of the Game, that is NOT the PR we all love. Thank you

[SolarofDeath]

Wow Ali, I think you need to find another outlet for your pent up anger. Man you whine more than 5 year old. Have you ever run a clan?? Have you ever managed a website for a clan or a server?? Amazing how you can sit there and criticize, yet have no experience in what you are critiquing. Like I said before I have been playing with this clan going on 5 years and have never had half the problems you seem to have. Amazing how you say I don’t have time to read the rules in game because I am too busy playing, but you expect the HOG guys to warn you on every infraction. It’s your job to know the rules and that might mean waiting and reading them while they are scrolling before you start playing.
How about being responsible for your own actions instead of making it someone else’s job to do it for you.

[RedRyder]

Wow Ali, I think you need to find another outlet for your pent up anger. Man you whine more than 5 year old. Have you ever run a clan?? Have you ever managed a website for a clan or a server?? Amazing how you can sit there and criticize, yet have no experience in what you are critiquing. Like I said before I have been playing with this clan going on 5 years and have never had half the problems you seem to have. Amazing how you say I don’t have time to read the rules in game because I am too busy playing, but you expect the HOG guys to warn you on every infraction. It’s your job to know the rules and that might mean waiting and reading them while they are scrolling before you start playing.
How about being responsible for your own actions instead of making it someone else’s job to do it for you.

Maybe you haven't had any problems with them b/c they know you. They don't offer the same respect or patience to normal pubbers or mbrs of a clan they don't like. They kick ppl (myself included) who accidentally tk even with a sincere apology, they've kicked ppl for asking questions regarding rules, they've kicked ppl for talking about the squad bug, they've kicked ppl because they had an ENEMY sniper kit and did not name their squad RECON or because there was already a RECON squad, I can go on with all the terrible reasons I've seen them ban and kick ppl without offering the person a chance to explain the situation.

I personally don't really care to play on this server and only wish to express my opinion. Take it as a grain of salt if you will, because I will not release my in-game name. I have a good reputation I would like to uphold in the PR community, and could care less about getting myself unbanned from their server. However, the admins are horrendous and power trip without giving someone the chance to explain. Log into their website...hope they accept and activate your account just so you can explain what happened when a gernade bounced of a wall and u accidentally TK'ed a teammate? But when someone complains about an admin abusing his/her power u "want proof in a screenshot or battlerecorder"? "How about being responsible for your own actions instead of making it someone else’s job to do it for you." <- that statement is a two way street SolarofDeath. Read the entire history of this thread, not so much of a glowing review now is it? I have no problems with any other servers, have NEVER been kicked from anyother servers, and am a strong advocate of teamwork in every server I play in, I just can't help but avoid =HOG= at all cost.

Again, this is my opinion and experience, 1 person may not matter to you, but the slew of complaints in this thread from reputable community mbrs is a good indication that perhaps =HOG= should start looking into their admining instead of coming here and trying to defend an obvious problem. Please don't take this as a personally attack =HOG=, it's not meant to be written in that kind of a tone. I just simply wish you started addressing issues instead of starting every post with the generic "I find it hard to believe.......". Thanks and sorry for the long winded post.

[AaronFraher]

Have you ever run a clan?? Have you ever managed a website for a clan or a server?? Amazing how you can sit there and criticize, yet have no experience in what you are critiquing.

Have you ever been the president of the United States? I'm sure you dont agree with everything he does, but since you have no presidential experience does that mean you cant criticize his descisions?

Extreme example I know, just trying to make a point.


Also, Ali, in future try not to post so many times in a row. Its generally frowned upon. Just try and collect all your ideas before you write your post.

[kaufman_23]

Maybe you haven't had any problems with them b/c they know you. They don't offer the same respect or patience to normal pubbers or mbrs of a clan they don't like.

not true. everyone is shown the same respect. if you brake the rules, accept the consequences

...they've kicked ppl because they had an ENEMY sniper kit and did not name their squad RECON or because there was already a RECON squad

that is a lie. i never saw anyone got kicked for a kit. KIT is NOT an ASSET. Squads are nameb by the assets they are using. its not rockes science

I can go on with all the terrible reasons I've seen them ban and kick ppl without offering the person a chance to explain the situation.

the server is not a place for a debate. you can post your complain on the forum.

I personally don't really care to play on this server and only wish to express my opinion. Take it as a grain of salt if you will, because I will not release my in-game name. I have a good reputation I would like to uphold in the PR community, and could care less about getting myself unbanned from their server. However, the admins are horrendous and power trip without giving someone the chance to explain. Log into their website...hope they accept and activate your account just so you can explain what happened when a gernade bounced of a wall and u accidentally TK'ed a teammate? But when someone complains about an admin abusing his/her power u "want proof in a screenshot or battlerecorder"? "How about being responsible for your own actions instead of making it someone else’s job to do it for you." <- that statement is a two way street SolarofDeath. Read the entire history of this thread, not so much of a gk in every server I play in, I just can't help but avoid =HOG= at all cost.

you made an effort to create this acount on this forum with one purpose only: to make the HOG clan look bad. thats not what i call respect. tell us your nick so one of the admins can tell why were you banned. the same applies for ALI. he did the same thing, and i cant stop thinking that ALI and RedRyder are the same person

SHAME ON YOU

ps: mistakes can happen, when emotions are involved, bad decisions can be made. after all, admins are human beings. in my opinion the big majority of admins are fair and respectfull. the server has a pretty healthy community of pubers and the server is full every night . i guess they like the fact asshats are kicked before they can make too much damage