British rifleman specialist main weapon - shotgun (INS only?)

[goguapsy]

There is team work in MW2...when did this happen? lol!

It happened tomorrow.

Obviously you never played MW2.


Neither did I...

[drs79]

Gazz,

I am glad you brought this up, the other day on Karbala while playing as a US Rifleman Specialist I brought the idea up to my squad mates that it could be a neat addition if the US/Brit Rifleman Specialist had the Benelli automatic shotgun and/or a buckshot rifle for opening doors, or just the Benelli as its primary weapon.

[Bringerof_D]

No. PR will never get the graphics and the teamwork that made MW2 what it is today.

There is team work in MW2...when did this happen? lol!

or lack there of. dude you gotta take things a little less literally

[USMCMIDN]

or lack there of. dude you gotta take things a little less literally

It was a joke... My unit doesn't think im funny either....

But back on topic...

I do not think the US Forces should get optics on the shotguns... I think this because unlike the Brits we do not use shotguns as a main weapon, often a secondary. Our primary 16s and M4 Carbines are souped up but as for a weapon hanging on our back most of the time just to shoot open doors unless the Marine or soldier buys the optic himself but I doubt the armorer is going to give that person an extra sight because he asked...? Brits should deff have it tho seeing as it is their primary weapon.

[goguapsy]

It was a joke... My unit doesn't think im funny either....

But back on topic...

I do not think the US Forces should get optics on the shotguns... I think this because unlike the Brits we do not use shotguns as a main weapon, often a secondary. Our primary 16s and M4 Carbines are souped up but as for a weapon hanging on our back most of the time just to shoot open doors unless the Marine or soldier buys the optic himself but I doubt the armorer is going to give that person an extra sight because he asked...? Brits should deff have it tho seeing as it is their primary weapon.

Please shed some light on the military life? You have to buy stuff to be more effective? It's that I might become an US Army Officer...

[gaurd502]

Well, they have M16s they use to shoot longer ranges. I don't think an expensive scope will improve them that much when they only use them at point blank range.

[Bringerof_D]

Please shed some light on the military life? You have to buy stuff to be more effective? It's that I might become an US Army Officer...

since these things are "unnecessary" for a soldier to be effective, things like the eotech are not issued it. however soldiers are welcome to go buy it themselves as it does make them more effective than without. from what i've heard from active CF members some units have begun putting parts of their budget into getting them for their members as unofficially issued kit for anyone who feels they need one. but thats just from what i've heard and only about CF. as for US army/marines i wouldn't be surprised if some units have begun to do the same.

[USMCMIDN]

Please shed some light on the military life? You have to buy stuff to be more effective? It's that I might become an US Army Officer...

Yes and No...

The US Military will give you everything you need to be efficient in combat. They will give you state of the art gear, optics etc...

However you can buy your own equipment (mainly optics) and use it in the field if you qualify on a range. They will fully let you do this. For example when I commission I plan on doing my quals with EoTech stuff... The US Military has given permission for its servicemen to buy CERTAIN equipment and use it. NO BODY ARMOR!!! LOL

Now with the secondary weapon such as a Benelli M4 the average Marine or Soldier will have it slung on their back. The US Military knows this, they also know that they will not be using this weapon as much as their primary, so they are not going to waste money by handing another $500+ optic out. Not to mention the more things on your back could lead to discomfort.

but if you wanted an EoTech or Aimpoint and ask permission and qualify with it then your all good. But again why would you, you'd be putting money on something your not going to use much unless your shooting the hinges on doors, unless you need a special optic for that...

Really dont worry about it. If you do join the USArmy they will fully supply you with GREAT gear your not going to want to give back...lol. You will be perfectly fine with the stuff given to you, I just feel more comfortable with EoTech (I shoot better)

As for the Brits I can see they would give optics out due to the shotgun being their primary and using it often!

[mosinmatt]

This game is supposed ot be about realism. But it should also be balanced, and encourage teamwork. The specialist kit has lead to too many lone wolf, and squads with no medics, and no riflemen. Kind of sucks when you need an ammo bag or a heal.
If you take away the rifle, and grenades, I think it will encourage people to use it less, and work as a team.
I remember before the buckshot, specialist was the least used kit. Now everyone has it.

[gazzthompson]

[AnimalMother.]

yeah i totally agree

[ShockUnitBlack]

Necro bump, but any chance we could see all the armies receive an alternative Rifleman Specialist class exclusively armed with a shotgun?

As we've already seen, doing so makes for some interesting equipment choices (read: good gameplay).

[dtacs]

Is it standard practice for Marines to only receive a shotgun with two different types of rounds in combat? What about the Russians, or US Army? From my rudimentary knowledge it's only the RM's that do it overseas, and I have no idea if they even get slugs.

For gameplay a rifle is a grossly underestimated tool for the Specialist, slugs are just too unreliable especially at medium range. The Specialist is a master of utility, being armed only with a shotgun is negative for gameplay and unrealistic at the same time.

[Bob of Mage]

A shotgun as the main weapon is nice, but only when I have the option to take a rilfe if I want. I see no reason why there can't be one kit with a rifle and one without for BAF INS maps. Unless of course the BAF never has men using a shotgun and rifle at the same time (rather unlikely and kind of dumb not to ever have that option).

[Murphy]

I've always felt the shotgun to situational to ever take the shotty only kit. The insurgents carrying rifles are more effective fighters and as such this kit negates any advantage the Brits have, be it range or rate and accuracy of fire.