did you hate APCs? or otherwise love it?

[HAAN4]

yes i HATE, it simple do not works. and i expect they go to trash soon has possible,

noboby will transport people to it's places, they all like to use like light tanks,

and light tanks suncks.

where is my heavy cavalary? MBT, main battle tanks, MAIN battle tanks. is what they are up for.

the back bone of cavalary is the HEAVY cavalary. indeed.

for transport i prefer trasnport trunks, i also dislikes scout cars whicht machine guns, since they do more bad that good to team, enforcing people to get they for they own.

i will thick at last for russians, always deploy heavy cavalary, and trasnport trunks are the face of the soviet warfare, tons steel, chuck trasport. but all works, so how cares?

what ever, in my opnion APC must become the minority of assets intead of be the mostly baisc armores unit in game, it's fancy, he doe'st match other vehicles. so saying the life of APC is a hell, yes actuly it is in a real life war. unless they got heavy cavalary nearby, or TOW vehicles to win armored superioty.

i kwon aircarft can punish baddly heavy armor, but is where mobil AA come in. each one depends of another, that is a comon aspect of all time's human arsenal.

also i suport to equip the a lesser amounts of APCs whicht TOW guns, whicht make's then more fearsome to enemy cavalary has well. and retrive the large ammounts of bad equiped APCs, to place heavy cavalry in place.

regards, no ofense.

[Zimmer]

Basically your team is using the apcs wrong then thats their choice.

I think apcs will be even more important, nearly none of the AAS maps have cars anymore while they where number 1 transport for not many versions ago, you will see the gameplay the devs want will more and more lean to APC's the harsh reality is thats the reality, live with it.

And can you please start to at least spell the word rights it really hard to actually know what your speaking of there are thousands of programs who can show you misspelled words I use it all the time.

[obZen]

I think there's simply to much AT around. In real life APC's are used as cover for soldiers to fight and move in, it's not expected that some RPG is going to pick off 1 shot an APC from 500m away. Try using an APC to cover an assault here and it will be down in seconds.

[Amir]

Most APC ( who think they're 1337 ) are so, but SO f*cking blind.

And, yes, I hate them.

[ryan d ale]

Most APC ( who think they're 1337 ) are so, but SO f*cking blind.

And, yes, I hate them.

I hate when I fire RPG into rear door of LAV and nothing happens but then again it was the door and not like I was aiming at the essential mechanisms of the vehicle.


I believe the ammount of AT available is fine

If an APC gets hit then it is their own fault 9/10 times (gunner or driver). Using the APC as cover doesn't always work because you have to cover it also

[Cassius]

Yes apcs are used for transport, on maps like Kashan if the helicopter is down, you need to try to get a ride in an apc.

500m is not transporting troops into battle. Once into battle, the apcs do act as light tanks and do support infantery. If squadleaders would use the radio more, or call an apc for an hot evac, they would do a better job at it.

[Hotrod525]

Yes apcs are used for transport, on maps like Kashan if the helicopter is down, you need to try to get a ride in an apc.

500m is not transporting troops into battle. Once into battle, the apcs do act as light tanks and do support infantery. If squadleaders would use the radio more, or call an apc for an hot evac, they would do a better job at it.

+1

Each time i play with an APC, i carry troops and i act as a Land Assault Vehicle

[Nitneuc]

If squadleaders would use the radio more

That's what I was about to say, I get a fair percentage of positive answers when using "I need APC" with radio rose. I'll also pay attention to inf. SL requests when manning APC (although I pretty much don't play APC since 0.9 because I'm not able to score with them anymore ).

[Tim270]

I always pick up people that ask for it, and have always been picked up when asked. Are you even using the radio? or teamchat?

I try to keep people inside the vehicle as little as possible though and to make them walk as much as possible (within reason) as it is a lot of tickets lost if it goes over a mine or is hit by at.

[Cassius]

I must say though on a map like Muttrah Id rather want to see an MBT than a tank, if it wouldnt be for the whole ambhibious assault thing. Its 2010 where is my hovertank.

[CCCode]

If the players missuse the APCs thats their problem.. I've seen people wasting HATs on infantry when they easily could have tken them out with their rifle and i dont hate the HAT kit cos of that.. Just that some people missuse it..

[Wh33lman]

your missing the other half of this arguement: The APC

We're hardly every called for transport, and never called for fire support. its as if we dont exist. if its a map like Kashan, the infantry never needs us, so we try and contribute any way we can. mostly, that means following the real tanks around.

everyone would rather fly then do anything else. they all want their helicopter. i made a thread a while ago about a similar situation with boats. there were 3 boats sitting in the bottom of the carrier and the entire team was on the flight deck waiting for their choppers to spawn.

although i agree, most people dont know what their doing with an APC. i actually had a heated arguement with another player about his "light tank"(direct quote) last night. maybe im just playing in the wrong servers, but you cant blame everything on the APC's

[Psyrus]

By contrast to the OP, I love apcs! It is seldom that I am forced to use one, as I deem them to be a reasonably dangerous method of transport, but when I have it has always made the round's teamwork enjoyment factor go way up. Unfortunately the only real times I've had use for APCs is on 4km maps & most insurgency maps... on most AAS maps you just don't have need for an APC. Oh, Muttrah City is the exception... both teams can use APCs as troop transport very effectively due to the relatively low chance of being hit by AT (due to all the cover and generally inf everywhere).

I would certainly advocate a slight strengthening of the APCs, being such that it takes more than 2x LAT/RPG to kill them. 3 would be a good number IMO, as the RPGs from a single cache couldn't just double-team the APCs like they do currently. As it stands, the APCs are just as vunerable as the light transport (2 RPGs to kill), and as such, you can see where people get tired of dying in them (and costing the team 7 tickets)

[Rudd]

give me an APC on mumble, myself in an infantry squad and wonderful things happen.

[BloodBane611]

APCs are awesome when used by thinking people who work to support infantry and otherwise use them in realistic/useful ways. Way too many APC drivers think that the best way to use them is driving directly towards the enemy until TOWed/HATed/LATed

[Nebsif]

your missing the other half of this arguement: The APC

We're hardly every called for transport, and never called for fire support. its as if we dont exist. if its a map like Kashan, the infantry never needs us, so we try and contribute any way we can. mostly, that means following the real tanks around.

everyone would rather fly then do anything else. they all want their helicopter. i made a thread a while ago about a similar situation with boats. there were 3 boats sitting in the bottom of the carrier and the entire team was on the flight deck waiting for their choppers to spawn.

although i agree, most people dont know what their doing with an APC. i actually had a heated arguement with another player about his "light tank"(direct quote) last night. maybe im just playing in the wrong servers, but you cant blame everything on the APC's

Exactly! The only thing we (APC crewmen) have to do is roam around (preferably close to friendly inf) and pew pew enemies instead of transporting.
People used APCs as "APCs" in 0.87 much more than in 0.91 cuz choppers were weaker, now choppers have almost the same armor as APCs.

[Zimmer]

I remember on basrah once (a really good map for apc), danke drove I believe Rudd was inf sq leader, the whole squad could easily get an apc when Rudd asked for it, we could move around the map without getting kileld or using lots of time on walking, and we also had something the insurgents feared alot when we got out.

That round was beast.

[Pronck]

Back in .87 were good times when I still played on my "ghost-recon" account.....................

But on-topic, I really, really hate APCs. They never respond to my requests for transport or fire-support. And when playing against them, it is just not right. We were defending a building, were in a heavy firefight with a enemy squad. A LAV drives by, starts shooting HE all over the place and everybody was dead. Luckily I am very skilled in driving bombcars, and taking out enemy armor. (I took out a merkava once from above with a bombcar, that was hilarious)

But luckily there are still some good old crewmen to support me, so I am not sure if hate it or love it.

[karambaitos]

maybe im just playing in the wrong servers, but you cant blame everything on the APC's

you are playing on the wrong servers xD
ye don't blame the APCs blame the choppers its all their fault anyways.

I dont hate APCs but I hate what people think they are they think they are leet and cant be killed and APCs never listen to you, for example you tell an APC on mutrah to stop and go back because theres a tow down the street, their response is .... and then the go 50MPH into the TOW -_- also almost none of the APC ever come to give you a pickup they are just too leet for you.

[UKrealplayER666]

As an APC driver i will always put the safty of my vehicle and the wellfare of my team first, an APC is not an IFV, the Schimitar is an IFV, a 2 man armoured vehicle, equiped to kill infantry and that is all. APCs priority should be the support and transport of infantry, not an assault vehicle.

So no, i dont hate APCs because i know how to use them properly, weather the team allows them to be used properly, i.e asking for ammo crates, fire support and transport, all of witch seldom happens, is another matter. i think people need to learn the true use of an APC rather then thinking "ooo i have a big gun now, i want to go pwn some noobs"

Im not suprised that they often get used as assault vehicles, few in the community know how to use them properly.

That is all.