Why isnt the chinook armed?

[blackhatch46]

They took out the pilot's guns because people were doing parachute drops for them, instead of only using them in case of an emergency. The devs didn't want the whole 'spec ops' thing going on. Also, you do know that they have military advisers, right? I think they might know a bit more than you.

Listen you ignorant sheep, why do you think i would say all of this unless im in the military? The Marines in fact and i work on Marine helos, and have been for 7 years. Thanks for giving me your input from your mom's basement. To get back on topic, you cant control everything, people are going to do shit wrong sometimes (ramming with vehicles for instance). I think its stupid and a pilot should have a pistol. If you can survive a helo crash and kill enemies by yourself with only a pistol and two magazines, then you deserve those kills and that gameplay. also no one parachute out of a helo when they are pilot. you go down with it.

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[drs79]

Because they are so fast, and if you give correct coordinate, let the pilot know if there are any threats in the AO, and have a competent pilot, he will be able to get you to your destination, extract you, or drop you crates without having to worry about having a door gunner.

Another reason is below:



"A Chinook is an unusually strong westerly or southwesterly wind that sweeps over the Rocky Mountain States of Wyoming, Colorado and Montana and onto the plains. These warm, dry winds are also very common in regions of western Canada, particularly in the extreme southwestern corner of the province of Alberta. To a lesser extent, these winds have been observed flowing across the Pacific Ocean states of Washington, Oregon, and California. The Chinook is named after the Chinook Indians who lived along the Columbia River, and who were the first people to tell stories of "The Great South Wind", or, in their language, the "Snow Eater".

Chinooks are normally formed when very moist air moves in from the Pacific Ocean and condenses, depositing heavy rain on the western, or leeside slope of the Rockies. This air, already warm,
continues heating, rushes over the mountains and surges down the eastern slopes, gaining velocity and eventually turning into strong winds. These warm winds usually maintain a speed of between 40-60 miles per hour, sweeping down mountain valleys and onto the plains, creating drastic and almost instantaneous temperature changes. Chinook winds have been known to melt a foot of snow or more in a single day. Temperature variations can be extreme, as much as 20-25 degrees Celsius (or 36-40 Fahrenheit) in an hour. These winds last from a few hours to a few days, and in rare cases several weeks."

[Trooper909]

I dont think taking away door guns because noobs shoot them for no reason or the incorrect uses of them is the way to go tbh

If we go in that direction you may aswell take away all lethal weapons and replace them with paintball guns as noobs may well TK with lethal weapons.

[BigNate]

This thread is a little hot for my taste, but I'll risk the enemy fire anyways, because I wanted to draw attention to this:

Removing the parachute would have been a better idea imo, there are 2 maps with jets, there are many many more with helicopters.

Sounds like a great idea to me. I hate jet maps and so have little experience on them, but I see many a chopper pilot and not once yet have I seen a pilot bail. 95% of the time they're not even high enough to deploy a parachute.

The devs would have a better idea whether it's more feasible to make a separate jet kit and heli kit (one with chute, one with PDW) or to simply expect jet pilots to bite the bullet and go chute-less for compromise's sake, but I think either scenario would be an improvement gameplay-wise over the current defenseless pilot scenario.

A side effect of this change would be elimination of the paradrop-on-non-para-maps tactic. I read about it in a thread last month, where a heli would drop "pilots" and a crate, and they would find the crate and re-kit on the ground, behind enemy lines. Seems to me that preventing this tactic would be a positive change, though I'll admit not having seen it used in-game.

[Sgt.Heine]

maybe put it on the other birds but not the UH-1N because the USMC dont use them any more.they use Sea Kings.

[Drunkenup]

maybe put it on the other birds but not the UH-1N because the USMC dont use them any more.they use Sea Kings.

Marines still use the Twin Huey ans will continue to until the uh-1y replaces it within the next decade. The corps doesn't use the Sea King either, the USN did, but they are retired. You must be thinking of the phrog or Super Stallon

[lilmanual]

man theres still gonna be a ****** ramming a whole squad with a transport heli lol

[Q2M100]

Answer: So that n00bs don't tell the pilot to set them up for a shot.

[hiberNative]

saying an armed chinook would make it stray from the transport role is like saying an armed medic will alienate him from healing and reviving teammates.

[Psyrus]

saying an armed chinook would make it stray from the transport role is like saying an armed medic will alienate him from healing and reviving teammates.

But it's true... I too often have seen a blackhawk trying to circle around ramiel with the door guns blazing, more likely to kill a friendly than do any actual damage to the insurgents. These 'gunships' all end up in the same way... a flaming wreckage on the ground. If there were no door guns, there would be no temptation to use that retarded tactic, and we wouldn't lose another chopper for 10 minutes.

[Dev1200]

They're afraid the chinook will be used as an attack platform. I only see this being done very rarely.. =\

[scope]

They're afraid the chinook will be used as an attack platform. I only see this being done very rarely.. =\

It will be rare because you will have to wait for it to respawn after every attack run.

[Dev1200]

And since it's mostly the team's only transport ^^


Also, It works very well. Yesterday the russian trans choppers on Yamalia (Mi-17 IIRC?) were spraying down suppressive .50 fire while infantry was sweeping everything up. It's very COD4 style, but it works unless there's apc's in the area ;D

[=Toasted=]

I've never really seen door guns actually kill anything while flying anyway.
But, there was one time where I saw a blackhawk go down, and my squad was jokingly going to take the pilot hostage. As we approached the wreck, the pilot jumped on the minigun and ripped my squad apart. It was really unexpected.

Another time, on Ramiel, I was in a car transporting people, when I saw red tracers impacting all around me. Turns out I was bieng chased, and fired at by a Blackhawk. I zigzagged through the city, trying to lose it, all the while under fire. These instances where I witnessed trans heli is actually shooting stuff were too awesomely frightening to describe.

I can see why the door guns are not added, But I still wish the chinook had some form of armament.

[Drunkenup]

I've never really seen door guns actually kill anything while flying anyway.
But, there was one time where I saw a blackhawk go down, and my squad was jokingly going to take the pilot hostage. As we approached the wreck, the pilot jumped on the minigun and ripped my squad apart. It was really to unexpected and awesomely frightening to describe.

Another time, on Ramiel, I was in a car transporting people, when I saw red tracers impacting all around me. Turns out I was bieng chased, and fired at by a Blackhawk. I zigzagged through the city, trying to lose it, all the while under fire. These instances where I witnessed trans heli is actually shooting stuff were too awesomely frightening to describe.

I can see why the door guns are not added, But I still wish the chinook had them.

If a gun does get added, it would probably be mounted on the ramp and being a M240. We could help abuse by making it a "dedicated" kit, it requiring a pilot kit. I mean, a squad can fit in the Chinook, having the full 6 squad members, the pilot and the gunner. Not really loosing anything, except a slot for the lonely squad-less noob who just tags along a helo ride to kingdom-come.

[ebevan91]

Should put some Mk 19's on them or whatever current mounted GL system there is.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

Would it be possible and if so beneficial to add a lock weapons button for the pilots?

If the pilot doesn't want the miniguns fired he locks them, when approaching a hot zone he unlocks them?

[dtacs]

Would it be possible and if so beneficial to add a lock weapons button for the pilots?

If the pilot doesn't want the miniguns fired he locks them, when approaching a hot zone he unlocks them?

Re-suggestion, denied due to lack of realism.

[Drunkenup]

Should put some Mk 19's on them or whatever current mounted GL system there is.

The CH-47 doesn't have to provisions, nor does it mount grenade launchers. Excluding the canceled ACH-47A.