Streichholz wrote:Today I'ive got kicked from your server (11.07.10 on Muttrah) with the reason "No Duplicate squads you Asshat".
Me and my mate take a BTR and drive into the water at the docks and we've killed about 4 hueys.
Then some dudes talk to us in the chat that they want our APC (there was 2 APC's in MEC main).
Me and my mate talk to them that there are 2 APC's in the main but they spammed the chat and ive got kicked because some little kids didnt get theire candy -.-
This was a very bad admin support -.-
My english sucks thanks
i guess there was already a BTR squad. we have a NO DUPLICATE SQUAD rule, and a NO ASSET THEFT rule. i guess you broke one of these. it doesent matter how many choppers you shot down, rules are there to be followed. next time just join the asset squad and you wont have any problems, if there is no such squad, just make one =HOG= server rules
Today at approximately 1:50 PM EST, myself, cfschris, and a good friend (rednecksniper) were victims of childish admining and power abuse on the =HOG= 24/7 Muttrah server. Heres the story:
I was running a FOB squad and my buddy was shoveling. We were trying to put emplacements up in the MEC castle as MEC, which was only one flag away from being in the cap. We had put a FOB about 100m behind the castle, which was a good spawn point for defense of the control point as well as FOB security, but it turned out that it was just a tad bit too far away to build emplacements (about 40m).
So, I told my buddy to incendiary and destroy the FOB so I could put down the closer one, crates already in place. Then, without any warning or question, my friend was banned for "DESTROYING FRIENDLY FOBS", even though I had already said in chat why we were moving it.
I then yelled out in all text to remove the ban, and explained WHY we were destroying it, and that I had ordered him to. Without even being able to state my case completely, the same admin then kicks me with reason "ASSHAT".
I'm going to state now that not only is this absolute BS because we were trying to help the team, its also childish and a fine example of power hunger. Unban my friend, and stop being so banhappy.
HOG members on at the time, I don't know which one was admin:
BLAZENSADLIES
alan18470
kaufman_23
Last edited by cfschris on 2010-07-14 18:49, edited 1 time in total.
Welcome to =HOG=. Please take all unban requests to their official website where they don't approve your registration so you can't gain access to their forums and state your case. In the future, please don't mention anything here because it is not the right place to do it. In fact, there is no right place to do it. I feel for u cfschris. Me and my friends gave up on their servers a while ago. I've never been called an ASSHAT nor kick/banned before in my life, yet try to state your case in main chat and u get banned because of asshatery. My sarcastic advice, next time try to follow server rules, they're set in place to prevent asshats like u and I.
I don't remember if it was =HOG=(I think it was), but a while back I was banned mid game for doing nothing in particular. So I hopped into their Vent channel and as soon as I said I was banned and tryed to ask why some asshat jumped alll over me cussing about what I did.... After his tirade I said um, that wasn't me. Another member with a head on his shoulders(and not up his...) stepped in and asked what happend and sorted out that it was not me.....
Point is hopping into their Vent channel will usually be a very quick and easy way to fix an error like that. Of course expect the same jerk that banned you to start off on a tirade, but hopefully there are more peeps in the channel that can cool his jets.
Best line yet...
Me: "Hey APC, Can I get a ride to squad 6?"
Unknown: "This APC ain't no Taxi!"
RedRyder wrote:Welcome to =HOG=. Please take all unban requests to their official website where they don't approve your registration so you can't gain access to their forums and state your case. In the future, please don't mention anything here because it is not the right place to do it. In fact, there is no right place to do it. I feel for u cfschris. Me and my friends gave up on their servers a while ago. I've never been called an ASSHAT nor kick/banned before in my life, yet try to state your case in main chat and u get banned because of asshatery. My sarcastic advice, next time try to follow server rules, they're set in place to prevent asshats like u and I.
I feel ya man, I sure as hell am not going back to that server until the kid who started this fiasco is booted from his admin slot. And even then, I doubt I will.
That definitely sounds like a misunderstanding to me, Chris. It happens. And it can be corrected, if everything happened as you stated. You have been on our servers many times before, and I feel that you've always acted like a good solid team player. Please come into Vent and/or post in our forums about your ban. Misunderstandings happen all them time. There just aren't enough tools for admins to use to monitor everything. We are also playing at the time that we are admin'ing, so we don't always see everything in chat either. Hop online with us and lets see if we can figure out what happened.
=HOG=Romeo_One_Three wrote:That definitely sounds like a misunderstanding to me, Chris. It happens. And it can be corrected, if everything happened as you stated. You have been on our servers many times before, and I feel that you've always acted like a good solid team player. Please come into Vent and/or post in our forums about your ban. Misunderstandings happen all them time. There just aren't enough tools for admins to use to monitor everything. We are also playing at the time that we are admin'ing, so we don't always see everything in chat either. Hop online with us and lets see if we can figure out what happened.
Thanks for the civilized answer Romeo, I appreciate it. But it wasn't actually me who was banned- it was my good friend that I play alot of PR with, Rednecksniper. I only got kicked. But it was still such a stupid situation that I think ill just take some time off from HOG for awhile. You can go through the server history if you want, it should all be there.
I'm confused, I'm pretty sure someone said "HOG admins always Warn, Kick, then ban" but chris clearly said "Then, without any warning or question, my friend was banned".....
I suggest;
1. You guys use a image verification on your site (like recaptcha) on your site so people can actually give feedback and ban appeals without having to register 30 accounts. My first account I made, I asked blazen what was up and he said "oh its banned" before I could post, and I hadn't even done anything wrong on your servers.
2. Actually give people a chance to explain themselves, or maybe read the chat before you !b away.
3. Listen to the feedback people offer in this thread instead of covering your ears and ignoring them.
This is my post to the HOG clan. It will be posted as soon as my membership is approved. Any thoughts?
Im making this post because of a rash of complaints by community members against HOG servers. I consider myself to be a rational person and I too have many a grievance against said admins. I would like to outline some of those today.
One of the largest repeat problems on the HOG servers are the admins locking of squads. They name a squad after an asset, lock the squad, then kick for creating duplicate squads. For example, on the Muttrah server the other day, an admin started a squad for the huey, then locked it with only himself in it. The maximum number of squads was reached and there was only 1 huey squad. I then personally witnessed the admin kick a player for taking a huey without being in the squad.
A month or so ago, I was a marksman in a squad and was approached by a player who wanted the kit. I refused based on the first-come-first-serve nature of the supply crates. The player responded by accusing me of attacking him with "racism and obscenities". Although there was no text record of this and no other player spoke up to support his claims, I was kicked by an admin. Of course when I rejoined the server the accuser had taken my kit. The admin told me to "take it to the forums" and "be glad it was only a kick". Had the claims been substantiated or evidence made known, I would agree, however the admin refused to listen to any reasoning.
Finally today, I was a MEC sniper playing Muttrah. I was in the mountains and sniping targets on rooftops and balconies. My KD ratio was 7-0. That was when the problems started. I accidentally teamkilled 3 people and was kicked. How does a sniper "accidentally" teamkill 3 people?
Firstly, the 3 people who were killed were on the roof of a building which had been home to an enemy FOB minutes before. Secondly, at 700+ yards, I was not getting any friendlie tags. Lastly, the 3 people I shot were all using captured US kits which changed their equipment, weapons and helmet. I appologized and explained the situation, yet I was kicked with a message to the effect of: "READ YOUR MAP NEXT TIME BEFORE FIRING". Well as I said the area my frags were in was well saturated with both teams and using an overhead map was damn near impossible. Again, the HOG admin refused to listen to ANY reasoning before kicking.
Even before writing this, I knew what the response would be.
"PLAY SOMEWHERE ELSE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT!"
To be honest, I would love to. If there was another server with such low ping that was regularly populated, I would never join a HOG server again. More importantly, I believe many other players feel the same way.
You can run your server any way you like. You can ban me and others like me and your server will continue to be populated. My question to you is this... Is that really who you want to be? Do you really want to be known throughout the community as a bunch of dicks who ban anyone who disagrees with them? I mean, judging by MULTIPLE posts on the RealityMod forums, you clearly are not universally loved. I would even venture to guess that people have been turned off to PR by the admins on your servers. Who is being helped by such rude behavior?
I apologize for your experiance. Sounds like things could have been handled a little differently. But as I was not there, I can't say for certain what. We have our Ventrilo information scrolling in-game and have our Vent info on the main page of our Forums. This is the best and fastest way to contact us when things go wrong. On average, we have 20 plus Muttrah players in our Vent. Many of them are admins. If you get on Vent, you can usually talk with the admin who kicked/banned you and clear any doubts they may have.
We have to be strict. The rules are the rules. We try very hard to be understanding as well. But, when doubt is present, we have to make decisions based on partial information. You may know what clearly happened, but as we didn't witness it, we may not. So, when people report stuff, and then we see more reports of the same thing happen, we will kick/ban the person until we can determine what is really going on. But then that person will come into our Vent and vent. Then we will be able to make better sense of the issue and correct it. I'm not sure what other methods people think we have for determining issues. We can either witness it openly by moving to where that person is and seeing for ourselves, (unfortunately, this sometimes takes a while to do based on the complaining person or the person who's being complained about is located), or we can take the word of any group of people who are similarily reporting problems. Neither method is perfect. But this is about all the steps we can use in PR. There is no more ghosting players, no more commo scripts, no kill messages, nothing. And despite some talented guessers, we don't have any psychic admins. There's no absolution in being an admin, ever. Sometimes, mistakes are made. But this does not mean that most decisions are mistakes either. They aren't. Many decisions are made for the good of the whole group playing. Like your concern about the locked squads. The rules are made for the good of all players. If you want an asset, you must make a squad with that name. It's in the PR rules. If you don't get into the squad, make a request. The person who started the squad has the right to choose the players he/she feels would best suit the asset chosen. The choices made usually promote good team work. Take the Huey ordeal you showed concern over. Was that pilot wasting assets? Was that pilot hindering the team? If no, then why should they be criticized when they are helping. Too often, assets are taken and damaged/destroyed by players who either don't care about the team work (griefers) or players who are very new to the game and just don't understand the negative aspect of losing assets. But how do we as admins sort them out? We do what we can, as quickly as we can, so that the team whose assets are being wasted don't get penalized for the actions of those previously mentioned players. It's a constant battle for us. Especially because we like to play the game too. We don't get paid for any work we do. We don't get any rewards for doing this, save for one, we can sometimes play the game without any issues. For the record, I have always responded to any direct questions PM'd to me on this forum and on our site. If you have questions and can't seem to get anywhere with our normal channels, please contact me directly through the PM.
You've gotta be kidding me...I was just playing on Marines for 40+ minutes since the start of the round, was SL of a squad with 7000+ points, game winding down and I get booted to make room for someone?
We admit we are strict. We admit that we have little tolerance for racism. We admit that we do everything we can to keep the servers clear of problematic and controversial players. And this has made our servers some of the most populated servers in the game. The greatest complaint we get is that a person is upset because they can't get back into their favorite server. This complaint out ranks all other complaints by a 10:1 ratio or greater. The only reason we can get complaints like this is that there is an aspect of how we run our servers that most people enjoy. <----Plain and simple truth. If our server wasn't so well liked, then why would anyone waste their time complaining about it. They would just go on to another server. There are several servers that run a Muttrah server. Many of them never get populated. Got to wonder why. It's not that the game is different from one server to another, it's something else that's making a difference.
As for TG, I have the greatest respect for clans like TG. We have many of their players on our servers from time to time. We squad up with them. We talk to them. And we have nothing but the best attitude from them. If we need to take advice from someone, I would not turn theirs away. But, in all the time the guys have been on our servers, they don't tell us to make things better. They tell us they come to play Muttrah and love our 'No BS' admin'ing. So, it goes without saying here, we must be doing something right. There are more than 6 clans that play exclusively on our servers. Many of those clans play so much on our servers, we decided to create admin accounts for them so that they could help when =HOG= admins are unable to. And let me tell you, it has. And even with all the clans playing there, it's still difficult to keep up with all the garbage and maintenance. But with every idiot we get rid of, we have two more that seem to pop up in seconds. Here is a list of idiotic behaviour we've had to get rid of recently:
Racist pigs
People who park vehicles on top of the MEC spawn point in Muttrah so their team can't spawn there
People who intentionly waste assets, (flying helos into other helos (on the carrier)
People who walk up to other players in their main base and then shoot them in the face
People who take vehicles from legitimate asset owning squads and then drive/fly them to some part of the map where they can't be retrieved
People who drop C4 on the carrier next to a full chopper
People who continously team switch in order to learn enemy FOB locations and asset deployment
People who ghost
People who intentionally glitch FOBs
People who intentionally destroy the crates in the main bases
Using a HAT to destroy the Cobra on the carrier, and then his clan mate picked the HAT up, reloaded it and then destroyed the Attack Huey
And on and on and on...
All in all, there are almost 75 people listed on our ban log. Many of those bans were given to the same person who could create a new account faster than we could ban him. Several of those are from users who would crash the server (or just the =HOG= members). So, all in all, it seems like a pretty small number of bans on our servers compared to all the complaints we see in here. But, we live in a world where the squeeky wheel always gets the grease. And thus perceptions abound.
The HOG server might be full, but it's filled with Vanilla player, kids who want the sniper, people that will drop a logi off in the middle of the map for personal transport, etc...
Everytime I play on your server with no admins around, there are always people screwing around, trying to shoot down friendly assets, people team killing left and right, etc...
With the way your server is run those are the types of players you've attracted and only when you have your strict wand wavers can you keep it somewhat respectable to play on...I guess it created a loop.
I got banned from =HOG= Muttrah Only a couple of months ago.
I was playing on your server for about an hour, playing normally not doing anything out of the ordinary.
Then the message came up saying:
You were banned
Reason:"Your clan is not welcome here."
And I am still banned.
The reason I posted this here is because I couldn't find your forum anywhere else.
I find it odd to ban someone that isn't doing anything bad because he's a member of a clan you do not like.
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