digging

[Redamare]

that is agreeable with me too....

Recently i took a life gaurding course and when you do CPR you have to be kneeled over the person with straight arms ... it doesnt make sense if you are laying down because you cant get the leverage you would need to actualy be effective ...Same goes with the Digging ... have you ever tried digging a hole ( not at the beach ) with a shovel laying down??? its simply Not going to happen

[danger01]

digging laying down is poss, with an entrenching tool, especially the ones with the pick opposite the shovel.
it simply will happen if your life depended on it.
remember, if people want to get funny about this building issue, in game you are not digging a hole in the ground, you would not use a shovel to turn bolts, hammer nails like needed on the fob structure, or place sandbags etc, the shovel is a representation of building, i can place sandbags, turn screws, fix bolts etc all whilst laying down.

fix the CPR issue by all means but to change the building would be pointless.

but the cpr needs to be done kneeling for sure.

[nir0]

requesting video how you build up wall of sandbags 25kgs each while prone

[badmojo420]

Of course we'll not be able to find video of someone building a sandbag wall while prone. But, it doesn't mean it isn't possible.

But, I did find this quote from WW2...

Greenberg was doing his digging while lying down prone, and when he saw me digging in a sitting position, he swore at me for my foolhardiness and reached over and shoved me down onto my back. We must have been seen at that moment and immediately a Jerry machine gun cut loose right over me and I lay there counting the green tracers. They could have cut me half; so I gladly accepted my water-logged slit puddle.

arch5

[Rudd]

^ thats digging a really desperate defensive position, not a HMG position etc

[nir0]

digging prone is possible, but 10 times slower

[danger01]

^ thats digging a really desperate defensive position, not a HMG position etc

true, but if one wants to change things, then you would need the engineers to have spanners,screwdrivers and spades and have people fill sandbags and then place them and then, fix the netting, place the gun etc ..... the list goes on and i don't think the engine would allow it. the game-play is far to quick to properly build positions.
and there is actually no item that needs digging, we don't dig foxholes in the ground, they are all on the surface.

i like building assets and doing things properly would be nice, but it would slow down the game-play, something the rushers would not like.

[goguapsy]

digging laying down is poss, with an entrenching tool, especially the ones with the pick opposite the shovel.
it simply will happen if your life depended on it.

You don't have credible sources, you don't use capitalized letters to start a sentence AND you have a low post count.

Therefore, what you said here may not be looked at as a truth, if you know what I mean.

[danger01]

You don't have credible sources, you don't use capitalized letters to start a sentence AND you have a low post count.

Therefore, what you said here may not be looked at as a truth, if you know what I mean.

so what if i dont use caps to start, who are you, god or somethin?
credible sources, hmmm 6 years in the RA, tells me different.
low post count, again, so what. does that mean what i have to say is wrong?

[BloodBane611]

Respect is not a courtesy here gentlemen, it's a requirement. Chill out or you will receive infraction points.

[goguapsy]

so what if i dont use caps to start, who are you, god or somethin?
credible sources, hmmm 6 years in the RA, tells me different.
low post count, again, so what. does that mean what i have to say is wrong?

Haha don't worry I was joking Some people say that the higher post count you have, the bigger your e-penis, if you know what I mean. Look at Rhino and Rudd, for instance.

And as BloodBane has a higher post count than me (hence a bigger e-penis) and is a MOD, all I can do is swallow it and shut up (his post, I mean).

BTW what's RA? I don't know, google says it's Resident Advisor or Rheumatoid Arthritis, so I'm just curious, is that Military or something?



On-topic, is it or not possible to actually block a repair tool depending on the stance?
Also, any chances you could make a "distance" that the shovel reaches to? (I mean, we have it already, but to prevent weird shoveling things like shoveling from afar when prone)? Does that makes sense?

[Rudd]

BTW what's RA? I don't know, google says it's Resident Advisor or Rheumatoid Arthritis, so I'm just curious, is that Military or something?

I'm guessing Royal Artillery?

Look at Rhino and Rudd, for instance.

yeah postcount dont mean much tbh, like Rhino has thousands of posts and doesn't spam, I have thousands of post and spam alot

[Brummy]

The current system is just fine, there's a 2 minute delay on a newly built FOB to spawn on so it's not like people can immediately spawn on a FOB as it's being built.

HMGs and TOWs might be a pain in the *** sometimes if one guy keeps building and the other hops in, but again; no biggie and easy to counter.

It is still a game after all.

[Tim270]

requesting video how you build up wall of sandbags 25kgs each while prone

Again, its a representation. You need to grasp the fact that it is not a direct portrayal of actually constructing a form of static defence. Something that most likely engineers would build.

I guess you could go 1p anims for placing sandbags, but it would be kinda horrible and ultimately pointless when the shovel serves the purpose much better.

How is it not possible to use a E-tool when prone? (IRL)

[badmojo420]

The perfect solution would be to have the prone digging take 3x longer than the other stances. But that sounds hardcoded.

I'm not trying to argue that digging while prone is easy or just as effective, or that it should be done on a regular basis like it is in PR. I'm just trying to get the point across that doing these things while prone is possible in real life. If I had some sandbags handy, I'd even go to the extent of filming myself building a wall with them while prone, if that's what it takes to prove my point. Because, I'm confident that I could do it. And I'm also confident that most soldiers would be able to do it. Especially when there is a good reason for them to be prone.

Part of the problem with restricting the use of the shovel, is that the things we build, if we stop building, will explode and hurt us. So while it sounds great that everyone should be standing when using the shovel, it doesn't sound too great to have a half built structure hurting you if you ever need to drop down and take cover while shoveling.

[goguapsy]

Part of the problem with restricting the use of the shovel, is that the things we build, if we stop building, will explode and hurt us. So while it sounds great that everyone should be standing when using the shovel, it doesn't sound too great to have a half built structure hurting you if you ever need to drop down and take cover while shoveling.

You have a point... then going Prone to shovel with time penalty wouldn't work anyway unless you had 3+ people shoveling... That could actually encourage teamwork under fire...

[danger01]

Again, its a representation. You need to grasp the fact that it is not a direct portrayal of actually constructing a form of static defence. Something that most likely engineers would build.

I guess you could go 1p anims for placing sandbags, but it would be kinda horrible and ultimately pointless when the shovel serves the purpose much better.

How is it not possible to use a E-tool when prone? (IRL)

dont mate lol, i already tried to explain about the tool being representative and that it is poss to use E tool whilst prone, but do they listen

@goguapsy no worries then RA = Royal Artillery

[badmojo420]

You have a point... then going Prone to shovel with time penalty wouldn't work anyway unless you had 3+ people shoveling... That could actually encourage teamwork under fire...

Well if it could be coded to have different rates according to the stance, you could make the bleed out rate of structures just below that of prone shoveling.

For example,

Currently we have something like...

-Shoveling adds 10 to build percent.
-Structures bleed at a rate of 5

So when you are shoveling, the structure is taking damage, but your progress is more than the damage, so eventually the structure will reach 100% and stop bleeding out.

So if we could change the build rate according to stance we could have something like...

-Shoveling standing adds 10 to build
-Shoveling prone adds 4 to build
-Structures bleed at a rate of 3

That way, you're not going to end up having the structure bleeding out when going to the lower build rate. So it wouldn't require 3x the people to maintain, and it would be similar to what we have now, except building while prone would take 3x as long.

I'm just not sure if changing the build rate according to the stance is even possible.

(For the record, I know my numbers are off, it was just an example of the idea)

[zenarion]

Add deviation to shovel while proning. So every time you shovel might miss the FOB.

[JONES]

It's hardcoded for a repair item to do damage.

That clear enough for ya? LOL

No, can you explain?

jk