Side locked kits

[ediko]

US Infantry are not allowed to pick up enemy weapons because of friendly fire incidents. It may seem silly but when bullets are flying and you hear a AK around the corner (even if fired buy a friendly) there is a chance u just round the corner and pull the trigger. US Infantry and I believe all Coalition forces currently deployed right now are not allowed to pick up enemy weapons and USE them in combat. Now there are pics of guys carrying AKs in Iraq and Stan but they are prolly not using them in combat.

However I did see a video of a US Marine in Fallujah who picked up a AK and engaged insurgents with... Now yes your not supposed to do it but if you have no ammo and u need to most likely you would...

SF/O are a different story...

Keep it the way it is... But maybe not letting the HAT kits reload at insurgent cashes? ? ? Or is this hardcoded ?

PS that camo he is wearing was standard issue to US Forces in the beginning of the war it was maybe late 2004 when the Marines heavily fielded MARPAT and outsources the tri and later the US Army did the same with that ugly ACU (lol). The pic could very well be 2001-2005 ish. Some special forces/ops units such as the SEALs, some MARSOC units working with ANA units, CIA, DEA and AF SF/O that are in combat areas are still using the tricolor uniforms to this day.

As for the 556 bullet not having stopping power or enough energy to take down the enemy...theres 55,000+ insurgents killed in Iraq and over 30,000 in Stan that tell a different story. The 556 is a exceptional killing bullet against human targets, especially used correctly alike how Coalition forces are using them. I would keep my M4/16 any day rather then a AK. A major reason is my training and comfort lies with that weapon, muscle memory and not to mention the little goodies you can put on them.

Actually it was a problem in Vietnam. AFAIK US soldiers were picking up enemy ak's because they wouldn't jam in the most inappropriate moment. Since in the jungle the visibility was pretty bad soldiers often fired in the general direction where the sound was coming from. And the AK had a sound you couldn't mistake which often led to friendly fires.

Now Afghanistan and Iraq are a bit different. US weapons aren't as bad as they were in Vietnam and they don't change them right now. But I did see a lot of footage where US soldiers were firing enemy sniper rifles and RPG's. (Or maybe it was PMC but I'm quite sure those were US soldiers.) I'll post it if I will find it here.

[Bringerof_D]

source?

do you really need me to source that? cause if so it'll take a long time cause i'm gonna have to dig through a lot of old dev journals. Hopefully this will satisfy you though. The Helmets and other head wear used to be part of the player model in BF2v the devs stuck with that untill 0.7 or sometime around there. at that point they changed it so then the head dress was linked to the kit.

in anycase i say do not side lock kits. troops are not SUPPOSED to use enemy weapons, but remember that in any given situation it is better to break that rule than be stuck in a firefight with no weapon or ammunition. Remember that there are always exceptions, there's a reason why troops going over to A-stan are given training on how to use an AK.

and ingame the situation remains the same, the only time i've ever seen anyone pick up an enemy kit was either because they were out of ammo, or the enemy had a special kit.

[Turner]

lol what if when opfor picks up a blufor limited kit, it switches the controls around for it, for a certain amount of time. To think of it realistically, this would simulate getting to know a new weapon. But idk lol

[Turner]

US Infantry are not allowed to pick up enemy weapons because of friendly fire incidents. It may seem silly but when bullets are flying and you hear a AK around the corner (even if fired buy a friendly) there is a chance u just round the corner and pull the trigger. US Infantry and I believe all Coalition forces currently deployed right now are not allowed to pick up enemy weapons and USE them in combat. Now there are pics of guys carrying AKs in Iraq and Stan but they are prolly not using them in combat.

Captain America from generation kill was never shot by friendlies lol

[unrealalex]

I dont think insurgents get their hands on US AR and other non-standard weapons in real life either.
+1 for side locking.

[USMCMIDN]

Actually it was a problem in Vietnam. AFAIK US soldiers were picking up enemy ak's because they wouldn't jam in the most inappropriate moment. Since in the jungle the visibility was pretty bad soldiers often fired in the general direction where the sound was coming from. And the AK had a sound you couldn't mistake which often led to friendly fires.

Now Afghanistan and Iraq are a bit different. US weapons aren't as bad as they were in Vietnam and they don't change them right now. But I did see a lot of footage where US soldiers were firing enemy sniper rifles and RPG's. (Or maybe it was PMC but I'm quite sure those were US soldiers.) I'll post it if I will find it here.

U said what I said... I too have seen some videos of Marines picking up AKs and engaging bad guys... but again they are not supposed too. However in a dire situation I dont think anyone would really care. But that soldier would certainly not drop his primary rifle hed be destroyed by his command for losing his rifle lol

But enemies have been known to capture Coalition weapons... Famous situation where a M40 was captured by Iraqi insurgents and used against the US Marines...but another Marine sniper got him...

As for Capt America in Generation kill he wasnt an infantry guy... He was a Recon Marine which operate with different SOPs then normal Infantry maybe their higher didnt care about enemy weapons because of their tasks...

[badmojo420]

I dont think insurgents get their hands on US AR and other non-standard weapons in real life either.
+1 for side locking.

That looks pretty hands on to me.

(I got the pics from Do Iraqi/Afghani insurgents use captured weapons?)

I tend to believe it's very rare for stuff like that to happen, but PR isn't exactly a pure representation of the combat seen in real life. For example, when a coalition soldier dies in real life, other soldiers attempt to secure the body and belongings, in PR, they usually back off and use it as bait.

So I disagree with side locking kits, BUT if it's possible to include a kit destroy feature, some way for us to easily make a kit disappear instantly, that would solve 9/10 problems with enemies picking up our kits. And there would actually be a point to securing fallen soldiers, even if they've already given up or are dead dead.

But, this thread should be locked. It's been suggested a lot. Here's a link to a recent thread about the same thing, and the military advisers response....

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f18-pr ... ost1274893

[BloodBane611]

Locked for mega-resuggestion.

The last significant thread on the topic:
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f18-pr ... -kits.html