Poor performance (yet another thread)

[AXELfrieman]

Hello everybody, I have been playing PR for a while but just now decided to join your lovely forums because I was tired of mediocre game performance. I feel a little bad posting this with all of the other threads being so similar in here, but I do know that I can run it just was wanting some help troubleshooting. I run a Core2Duo OC'd to 2.8 GHz and an 8800GTS OC'd to 600 GPU, 1400 shader with 2GB of Ram. I can run most games so that they look beautiful to me, like BF:BC2 for instance (yes it can run Crysis), but for smooth frames in PR I am forced to scrape the bottom of barrel for graphics. I saw that somebody mentioned deleting the shaders folder in another thread (it is remade upon game launch I presume), I doubt this would help me since I have shaders off however. I also have incredibly long load times, which when I finish finally loading, takes another 3-4 minutes for the screen to go all black then appear again, and usually go all black at least once more before I finally get to select the join game button. Once in I lag to kingdom come and back while waiting for my squad and kit selection screen to appear. I know 2 GB is rather archaic, but could it really be holding me back this badly when other games seem to be running just fine with it? Could the fact that my Windows 7 is 64 bit be the problem, or that I purchased BF2 through Steam (have in-game overlay off)? I am going to run some hardware monitoring programs the next time I play so that I may see the games effects on my PC, and will post up my results here. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This thread can be deleted as it is now utterly useless and I am an ignoramus. The CPU and GPU never went past 56%, however my RAM maxed once I pushed her any further past medium settings, while retaining low shadow and no filtering (other than texture). Sorry about this, I suppose PR is just omnoms my ram rather easily.

[SocketMan]

Check your hard drive light (LED),most likely it is ON most of the time.I ran the win7 beta with
2gb of ram and, it is rather painful.BF2 will use up to 2gb,and you still have win7 that wants
about the same (amount of ram).Your PC starts using your hard drive to swap data (from ram),
which means everything in your system slows down to the speed of hard drive (the slowest part
in PC).

[Darkpowder]

64 bit Win7 is not a problem with PR. I'm not a steam expert, as i never use it for BF2/PR. I recommend delving into all the steam forum posts about steam overlays.

I would recommend removing the overclocks on both GPU and CPU, as you probably won't notice much difference in PR.

To start with defrag your HD, and see if your swapfile is fragmented.

[NuclearBanane]

Check your hard drive light (LED),most likely it is ON most of the time.I ran the win7 beta with
2gb of ram and, it is rather painful.BF2 will use up to 2gb,and you still have win7 that wants
about the same (amount of ram).Your PC starts using your hard drive to swap data (from ram),
which means everything in your system slows down to the speed of hard drive (the slowest part
in PC).

I'm having same problem as him.
Nearly same specs.

But the thing is I'm running 6 gb of ddr2 ram at 1066 Mhz.
And the lag isn't map specific. It will randomly do it after second map or long round on one map.

And i noticed the same thing as you because when i originally got Win7 i had 2 gb or ram at 667 ( It wasn't set to top speed at the time )

When i check how muchram is being used it says 54%.
I also made a bigger page file. I upped it from 6 gb page to 14 gb page. ( I know it's over kill but i have to much hard drive space and nothing to use it with )

Why would it use page file if i still have another 3 gb?

[Pill Monster]

I'm having same problem as him.
Nearly same specs.

But the thing is I'm running 6 gb of ddr2 ram at 1066 Mhz.
And the lag isn't map specific. It will randomly do it after second map or long round on one map.

And i noticed the same thing as you because when i originally got Win7 i had 2 gb or ram at 667 ( It wasn't set to top speed at the time )

When i check how muchram is being used it says 54%.
I also made a bigger page file. I upped it from 6 gb page to 14 gb page. ( I know it's over kill but i have to much hard drive space and nothing to use it with )

Why would it use page file if i still have another 3 gb?

With 6GB of ram you may as well disable your pagefile.

What HDD config do you have? Are you using a second drive for your games...?

[whatshisname55]

Lol wow, I have practically the same problem, same OS, 6 GB RAM.
I just thought it was because I have an integrated Geforce 9100, but this makes me think that might not be the problem.

[Pill Monster]

Lol wow, I have practically the same problem, same OS, 6 GB RAM.
I just thought it was because I have an integrated Geforce 9100, but this makes me think that might not be the problem.

It definitely is a problem in ur case... The OP's main prob is running W7 64 with only 2GB of RAM. - not enough for PR as well.



* 450 MHz core clock.
* 1100 MHz shader clock.
* Memory Clock depend on System Memory.
* Up to 256 MB shared memory, with Turbo Cache.
* 64 bit memory interface (single-channel mode) / 128 bit memory interface (dual-channel mode).
* Memory Bandwidth depend on System Memory.
* 1.8 billion texels/s texture fill rate.
* (specification based on Acer Aspire 4530 using GPU-Z v0.2.8 utility)
[/B][/QUOTE]GeForce 9 Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Ur card is struggling at best..

[whatshisname55]

Omg......what are PR's requirements in those terms? Does PR really add that much more from BF2 that I have to lower my settings from max to min?

[Pill Monster]

Omg......what are PR's requirements in those terms? Does PR really add that much more from BF2 that I have to lower my settings from max to min?

I'd say prob an 8800GTS/HD4750 with at least 512MB 256bit vram minimum.

And yeah, PR is a lot more demanding on hardware than Vanilla.

[whatshisname55]

What would you suggest buying to run medium settings?

[Pill Monster]

Need to know your budget first then we work from there...are you using laptop?


I can also give you a link to a hardware forum with a lot of helpful Techheads, I'm a member there.

It's called Guru3D, one of the highest ranking tech sites on the net - we get around 250,000 hits each week.

[whatshisname55]

Well actually it's not really necessary, I have a new very high end computer at my dad's house, it's just my mom's that needs a new GPU, though of course I'd love to get one to put in it. I don't want to spend more than $150 for the GPU unfortunately, plus I may need a new PSU to support it...

[killonsight95]

Well actually it's not really necessary, I have a new very high end computer at my dad's house, it's just my mom's that needs a new GPU, though of course I'd love to get one to put in it. I don't want to spend more than $150 for the GPU unfortunately, plus I may need a new PSU to support it...

try something like this, its really quite good:
VTX ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card - Aria Technology

[NuclearBanane]

With 6GB of ram you may as well disable your pagefile.

What HDD config do you have? Are you using a second drive for your games...?

Running a Western Digital SATA ( 3 GB\s ) 1Tb 72 000 rpm with 64 MB cache.

And no i do not have a separate drive for my games since I have multiple OSs

ether way the game has no reason to ask the hard drive information constantly.

And the weird part about it is i can run every map on high with 60 average fps if it's the first time i start up the game, both local and online. ( Not counting the Coop maps ).
After restarting the game lag goes away til second map or third.

So my hypothesis is BF2 won't use more then 2048 mb
So it asks the hard drive for a file that cannot be put into the 2 gb span, then it asks for the file that it just overwrite with the file, and it keeps doing that over and over again.

If that is the case then it's a massive design and programming fail.
But what i don't get is some people with the same specs and me, or nearly the same get 100% performance 100% of the time from there PC.

So where is the problem?
Awhile back I saw a fix about allowing BF2 to use 4 GB but I thought since 1.5 that was already in the game?

[whatshisname55]

How long have you had that RAM? Maybe your modules are dying, it happened to my old RAM, almost 2 GB failed....

[NuclearBanane]

try something like this, its really quite good:
VTX ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card - Aria Technology

What are you guys talking about?
His graphics card is fine.

Buying a new GPU isn't going to help choke.
If you do not know what choke is, it's the CPU/RAM/HDD talking to each other trying to sort something out. So the GPU doesn't get the Information it need to do a good job.

Therefore bad performance.
Simply replacing who is getting choked isn't the solution is it?

The solution is finding out who is causing the problem.
It's probably not his CPU, We know it's probably his RAM.
But in the end it's BF2 that is causing it.

Extra tip:

When you put in the command line to show fps in bf2, the second number is how much choke you're getting.
That is why you ether have a high number on one side and a low on the other or vis versa.

BTW it's :renderer.drawfps1

You cannot find an even amount of choke and FPS.
That would be quite dumb to want in the first place.

But finding out how much choke you are getting you can tell if it's you're GPU or not.

Since I have the 9800GT 512MB, I can run every map on high. ( note read other post for my problem).
He is getting choke.

[NuclearBanane]

How long have you had that RAM? Maybe your modules are dying, it happened to my old RAM, almost 2 GB failed....

2 GB are about 6 months old and the 4GB other are about 1 week older then PR 0.9.

And I have done Mem test when i added the 4GB and all 6 GB was good. And the only other game I have problems with is Arma 2: ace mod, but i need more Vram for that to run properly.

[whatshisname55]

Ok, you are a computer expert, I had a feeling I wouldn't be able to help, you have probably done all sorts of things. But thanks for trying to help me, I will do the choke test

[NuclearBanane]

Ok, you are a computer expert, I had a feeling I wouldn't be able to help, you have probably done all sorts of things. But thanks for trying to help me, I will do the choke test

Lol i'm no expert. If i was an expert i wouldn't have teh same problem.
There is no choke test. But it be nice to know what you're choke is. and if you have any.

remember:
High Fps = good
but
High choke = bad. lol

And one question. If you restart you're game after the chokes starts, do you get better performance?

[Pill Monster]

Running a Western Digital SATA ( 3 GB\s ) 1Tb 72 000 rpm with 64 MB cache.

And no i do not have a separate drive for my games since I have multiple OSs

ether way the game has no reason to ask the hard drive information constantly.

And the weird part about it is i can run every map on high with 60 average fps if it's the first time i start up the game, both local and online. ( Not counting the Coop maps ).
After restarting the game lag goes away til second map or third.

So my hypothesis is BF2 won't use more then 2048 mb
So it asks the hard drive for a file that cannot be put into the 2 gb span, then it asks for the file that it just overwrite with the file, and it keeps doing that over and over again.
?

Dude, what are you talking about? Of course it can use more than 2GB as it's been Large Address Aware since 1.5.

The rest of what you said doesn't even make sense...memory just doesn't work that way.

And you really need to get rid of that PF, your HDD is probably fragmented to pieces and a 14BG PF is just nuts. You don't even need one at all...

And NO his graphics card is NOT fine. and

You need to stop giving people bad advice on things you clearly know nothing about