Aimbot, lag or none of the above?

[NinJawa]

Here's the story. I was playing in Muttrah City one day when I found myself walking down the street to my squad's rendezvous point after we were scattered. About halfway down the street I saw someone poke their head out around the corner. Not even a second after I saw this he shot about three times, killing me instantly. Each shot hit. Now, I was pretty angry but shrugged it off and decided that maybe he panicked and shot without checking to see if I was a friendly or not. Luckily my SL placed a rally point for me so I could spawn back in.

Later that match I saw what was no doubt the same person, but through my binoculars across the city. Again, he poked his head out from behind cover and shot me to death without hesitation. The thing is he was doing this with an assault rifle, which for me has terrible accuracy (I can empty a full clip into someone 30 meters away and not hit him once, even using single shot). Is all this lag on my part or was this guy depending on artificial accuracy? Or am I just being a noob? ??:

[Moonlight]

Honestly, I don't find anything unusual in your story. That guys might've been static for quite some time, scanning area with his scope, he saw you, he shot, he hit, end of story.
Assault rifles ARE accurate, just get used to the deviation.

[Eddiereyes909]

You're just being a noob.

Some people are better at the game. It happens.

[Bazul14]

You're just being a noob.

Some people are better at the game. It happens.

LOL, he is right. FYI, assault rifles are fairly accurate, especially the G3. You just have to wait a couple seconds for the deviation to settle. Even the AK47 on ins if very accurate on semi auto. Just wait 4 sec between your shots.

[Cheditor]

Thing about PR is you don't always know who killed you, could of been someone completley different that you didn't see.

[NinJawa]

The deviation thing is my whole POINT. In both cases he took maybe a millisecond AT THE MOST to line up the shot. I've waited a full minute and still missed completely. Read. :d uh: And the whole noob thing: I just got the game 3 days ago, so I'm not offended, but I'm pretty sure I'd be compelled to come up with a nasty remark if I didn't.

[NinJawa]

Honestly, I don't find anything unusual in your story. That guys might've been static for quite some time, scanning area with his scope, he saw you, he shot, he hit, end of story.
Assault rifles ARE accurate, just get used to the deviation.

The thing is he wasn't scanning the area with his scope. He was behind the corner. Sorry if I was unclear but as I was walking he poked his head out. And if it was lag, there wasn't any other lag that whole match, so the server must have made a miraculous recovery.

[Smegburt_funkledink]

You've said he "poked his head out" a few times. Do you mean, he's stood up after having been crouched behind cover? If so, his deviation wont be affected by that (I seem to remember), so if he's already been looking in your direction, waiting for the shot and then suddenly stood up, he'll be able to kill you fairly easily.

As you've only been playing a few days, a little advice may help. The main counter to this kind of situation is being with your squad. Extra firepower and medical assistance > 1 guy behind a wall.

Welcome to the forums.

[yakuz]

Deviation isn't totaly intuitive so don't worry if you don't get it at first, once you do get it though u can shoot eddie in the head sometime for that unsympathtic reply.
The deviation doesn't fully reset from small movements so he could have let his deviation settle completely whilst in cover and then just poked around the corner and only had to wait a moment to recieve good accuracy.
Also deviation is all about the area where your bullet CAN land so sometimes it appears very accurate, especially over small distances through pure luck.

[Jigsaw]

Very brief explanation of deviation:


Changing stances

Standing -> crouch: no deviation change
Crouch -> prone: complete deviation reset
Standing -> prone: complete deviation reset
Prone - > standing/crouch: no deviation change

Movement

Deviation increases based on how long you've been moving. Move for 1 second and it will take 1/5th of the time for deviation to settle as it would if you'd moved for 5 seconds.





That's a very very basic representation.

Now in your two scenarios, from what I can tell, the enemy has been stationary next to a wall and moved slightly out to look down the street = very minor deviation increase as he'll only have moved for a fraction of a second.

Similarly, guy stationary behind a wall crouched stands up = no deviation change and as he's been stationary he will be very accurate.


Simply enough these guys have just caught you out by being stationary + right place, right time. These things happen, you just need to take some time and take more care with your movement to ensure that it is more difficult for a hostile to get the drop on you.

Try and ensure that you're always moving from cover to cover, never walk down the middle of the street. Plan your next move in advance and always scan ahead before leaving a covered position.

Hope that helps.

Welcome to the forums.

[maniac1031]

He may have been stationary for a while behind the corner before he came around because it takes 5 sec of constant movement before your deviation resets.

[NinJawa]

First off: I know how deviation works. Before even loading up the game I looked over the manual a few times, watched several YouTube tutorials and even asked my friends about their experiences.

Second: Smeggles, he was completely hidden and actually dove to the ground when I saw him, hinting that he was sprinting to the corner.

Third: This is also addressed to Smeggles. I was the last one left alive in my squad, because they accidentally left me behind while I was grabbing a medic kit and they all got killed at relatively the same time, so squad support was unavailable if you were wondering.

Fourth: I posted this thread looking for support, or maybe someone that's had this happen to them before, so it's a tad annoying having trolls call me a "noob" simply because I was victimized by lag or whatever else. (and you would think the mod would fall into the helpful category rather than the troll category, but oh well.)

Anyway, thanks to everyone that was helpful, and to all the trolls reading this: Go ahead and comment, but I'm done with this thread as it really didn't go how I wanted it to.

[badmojo420]

An aimbot wouldn't work very well in PR, the deviation would cause it to miss. It's almost better to just spray some bullets in the general direction(which might be what happened in your case) hoping to score a hit. Because if you think about it, the only thing you can count on when your deviation is at it's max, is that the bullet will NOT land where your cross-hair is pointing.

[Epipen]

Once i was shooting at a enemy soldier(mec)and i was about 200 or 300m away from him, he was lying down and confused, behind a cover, searching for me, but looking to the wrong direction, (i was East of him but he was looking for W or NW) and then he suddenly went from prone to standing,looked at me and fired only ONE round with the g3, i saw the tracer bullet and HEADSHOT.

I've saw many other things like this before, but this one was just ridiculous...

[badmojo420]

Once i was shooting at a enemy soldier(mec)and i was about 200 or 300m away from him, he was lying down and confused, behind a cover, searching for me, but looking to the wrong direction, (i was East of him but he was looking for W or NW) and then he suddenly went from prone to standing,looked at me and fired only ONE round with the g3, i saw the tracer bullet and HEADSHOT.

I've saw many other things like this before, but this one was just ridiculous...

Maybe his squad leader spotted you with the binocs and put a mark on you? If he was going from prone to standing before he shot at you, his deviation was at its lowest. I will often score a head shot with my first shot. It all about aiming and knowing when the deviation is at its lowest.

[Eddiereyes909]

Fourth: I posted this thread looking for support, or maybe someone that's had this happen to them before, so it's a tad annoying having trolls call me a "noob" simply because I was victimized by lag or whatever else. (and you would think the mod would fall into the helpful category rather than the troll category, but oh well.)

Trolol.

You left yourself open to being called a noob by ending your post that way.

You have to realize that there are a lot of variables in game, and that everytime you go ingame you can expect anything to happen. There is no "deviation bug", so there are hundreds of possible scenario's to explain why you got killed.

Who knows, it could have been a sniper using his pistol 20 yards away..

[Smegburt_funkledink]

Or am I just being a noob? ??:

[quote=""'[R-MOD"]Eddiereyes909;1425990']You're just being a noob.

Some people are better at the game. It happens.[/quote]

[quote="NinJawa""]it's a tad annoying having trolls call me a "noob" simply because I was victimized by lag or whatever else. (and you would think the mod would fall into the helpful category rather than the troll category, but oh well.) [/quote]

As Eddie has already pointed out, you left yourself open for that. I can assure you that he wouldn't have posted that if you hadn't already asked if you were being a noob.

Anyway, thanks to everyone that was helpful, and to all the trolls reading this: Go ahead and comment, but I'm done with this thread as it really didn't go how I wanted it to.

Nobody has been trolling... I don't see how else this thread could have gone. Some people have posted tips or hints, some have explained deviation and some have said it may just be bad luck or down to you being a noob.

There's not really much else to say.

[Epipen]

Maybe his squad leader spotted you with the binocs and put a mark on you? If he was going from prone to standing before he shot at you, his deviation was at its lowest. I will often score a head shot with my first shot. It all about aiming and knowing when the deviation is at its lowest.

He was with a oficer kit, he was looking to W or NW and suddenly looked at me and fired in a split of second...

i've remeber that one day, a idf soldier was over a building searching for enemies, it wasn't looking at me, and then he suddenly jumped to prone looked at me and fired only 1 round and killed me in a split of second...

maybe they're very lucky, or maybe cheating, the last punkbuster update was in 2009...

Anyway, these things doesn't happen all the time, i don't really care... we (hamas) won that round anyway....

[Rudd]

come on lads, be nice to eachother ffs....

pistol is good as it is imo, its settle time is short, its deploytime is short also, and its power isn't bad, remember this isn't the movies where dudes fall dead immediately after getting a bullet in any particular place.

[Wakain]

look this is the second topic you made in about a day in which you seem to have problems with accuracy and handling and in which you state disbelief on how others seem to use these weapons in a more practical and satisfying way.

don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're a noob, but
1. do you experience a lot of lag? if so, you might want to decrease some settings(especially textures)accordingly in the options menu.
2. do you understand the whole pr deviation system? take your time to get adjusted and comfortable with the weapon handling, preferably in coop or singleplayer where you can do what you want and use your weapon a lot more often so you can get used to them faster.

a lot of times people do things that make you thing they are cheating but most of the times there are reasonable explanations, luck is an important factor in a lot of situations as well. if something happens like that, don't just get angry, don't take it personal and don't create a thread on it but instead try to beat that guy in a mature way using the means at hand ingame.

regards