Why do you hate mumble?

[Mongolian_dude]

Ok, here are just a few things that keep me away from using mumble more then sporadically and only during some special events.

1. Constant disconnects which drop you back in main lobby, the most annoying is that you usually find it after the end of round

2. Players not in your squad abusing the fact they can talk to anyone without any limitation and the only way to stop them from spamming is to mute yourself=log off

3. Too long range of voice transmission which cause information overload on a full mumble server so even when all comms are important and reasonable it just too much for one head and is annoying in long term(it mostly because player use mumble instead of voip)

4. SL channel is usually one big mess which usually makes impossible to understand and squadlead your own squad then really helps with anything (SL's should start using their radios btw)

And apart of that there are still troublemakers and spammers messing with mumble channels but that's in hands of Admins of specified server to keep a game and communication on mature level. And that's why the only places where playing mumble is worth of trouble is a TG server.

To answer the pool i would have to click both options: -i don't like it but -i do use it! (sometimes).

All of which I managed to overcome with a single button. Mute

Really, those few times that mumble does become intrusive during playtime, just setting a mute button (I went for volume + and volume - instead) solves it all.


I think what deters most people is that fact that they are already using TS or Vent and dont want to learn a new system that they dont understand. But with force-centre a constant on those software, spam is ten-fold more likely to intervene!


...mongol...

[Dev1200]

If you hate mumble, there's something wrong with you. I find 0 problems with it, and really helps squad cohesion.

[Tartantyco]

Ive said it before, so i might as well say it again...

Using mumble, the way it was most likely intended (ie. you and your enemy can hear each other) adds an addition in-game liability that i dont wanna deal with.
Using mumble, faction sided only, its the equivalent of a decent Teamspeak or Ventrillo server... so why should i bother?
Between BF2s Command/Squad voip, ingame chat box, and either TS or Vent, i have no need for mumble.

If you guys wanna spam music or relate false coordinates to the enemy on mumble, be my guest

1. 'The way it was intended' is not the way it was intended. It's intended to be used the way the users decide and in a way its potential is fully used.

2. You seem to have issues with your mumble. If you can hear people who are some distance away from you then you are not linked. With mumble working you're supposed to hear people only within a certain range, and with a lower volume based on the distance between them and you.

3. Mumble would take over a lot of the other communication tasks if people would use it.

I voted for because no one else uses it.

But real bad situation is, even if people uses it, its 2 channel system were you can't hear everyone indiscriminately. Totally kills the purpose of Mumble.

But I'l be more than happy to use it everytime I play PR.

Your idea of 'the purpose of mumble' is wrong. Mumble is a communication tool meant to improve teamwork, it isn't realistic whatever system you're using, and because it isn't realistic, you lose 80% of its use by having the enemy be able to hear you.

Mumble's a cute gimmick with a lot of potential, but it's really not the big hooplah people are making it out to be. Nine times out of ten, any benefits in communication are canceled out by that same communication cluttering up what I could have seen or heard on my own.

The reason why you believe this is because you haven't used mumble properly. Mumble gives you direct communication with your entire team on a local level, meaning you are not limited by the in-game squad restrictions, meaning you can coordinate attacks directly instead of through proxies(SM-SL-CO-SL-SM with in-game VOIP, SM-SL-SL-SM with TS), make better use of your assets(If an SL requests supplies and a blue guy delivers them then they can talk directly and the needs of the SL will be met effectively), and so much else.

[Masaq]

Honestly? Can't be assed to faff around with another app in the background that nine times in ten, does not provide me with a useful method of communicating with other people but instead allows eejits to sing at me

[PLODDITHANLEY]

After alot of playing in the good old days of Reality Teamwork Mumble server, for me PR seems abit empty since....


I'll give some examples of why:

1. Give directions to pilot for drop, so much easier to explain, warn about possible AA positions, ask for crate etc.

2. When I find myself near a friendly armour unit I can just use them as my squads personal tool, 'just spray that building first and second floor until we're in the ground floor'.

3. Many times I have had a three inf squad co ordinated attacks - you guys on the east flank, you on the west and I'll go up the middle.

4. In a server not heavily populated with mumblers I love doing an armour squad with a mate with mumble so we can talk away without disrupting the rest of the squad.

5. Talking direct to CAS telling him exactly what I am lazing and where.

Sure it takes me all of ten seconds to check my team and put myself in the right channel but for me it's worth it.


In my experience PR without mumble is Ok with squad work but when on a server with many mumblers it becomes a TEAM effort.

I am a complete neanderthal with computers if it works for me .....

[Mad-Mike]

Too many people shout out and piss about on it.
Prefer TS3 with more mature people.

[ankyle62]

I use it and love it.
I dont see how servers get by without it.
It's not that hard, if you can take the time to download PR and make it work you can do mumble.

If people have problems with the people on it, that usually says something about the community and server youre on.

[Foxxy]

I use it and love it.
I dont see how servers get by without it.
It's not that hard, if you can take the time to download PR and make it work you can do mumble.

If people have problems with the people on it, that usually says something about the community and server youre on.

agreed. I cant even start up PR without mumble!

[HairyFence]

Its not integrated into the game itself. I don't see any improvement over in game voip other than to allow more that 6 people to talk in a squad.

Until mumble is actually hard coded into PR, its nothing more than a "play thing".

[mat552]

The reason why you believe this is because you haven't used mumble properly. Mumble gives you direct communication with your entire team on a local level, meaning you are not limited by the in-game squad restrictions, meaning you can coordinate attacks directly instead of through proxies(SM-SL-CO-SL-SM with in-game VOIP, SM-SL-SL-SM with TS), make better use of your assets(If an SL requests supplies and a blue guy delivers them then they can talk directly and the needs of the SL will be met effectively), and so much else.

I'd prefer not to be told what I have and haven't done, thanks. It's also pretty patronizing of you to repeat to me the benefits without addressing any of my concerns in an attempt to bullrush me into using it again.

The very fact that the communication is direct is part of the reason it's so easy to abuse, intentionally or unintentionally. Mumble transmits the speech from SL to SL just as easily as it does from singing SM to everyone else near by. A couple of times I've been treated to accidental ballads because someone forgot they were holding the button down, to say nothing of my own accidents.

As far as a supply driver arriving? It's just as easy, if not easier, to hop out, let the SL put them where he wants, then let you take them back. Lucky for me, the phrase "You do it" types and talks at about the same speed. For helos? Pop smoke when you see me, I won't be able to hear you over the rotorwash anyway (Like real life :S)

Arguing that all people need is comms discipline is the same argument for why TS never worked well, and discipline of any sort is one of the last skills I have come to expect from anyone in the PR community.

[SpungE]

It's a hassle. I'm in teamspeak all the time and another ptt key is annoying to get to grips with in the middle of a battle.

I also hate round starts/ends when I can hear all the mouthbreathers making unfunny jokes like they're king of the internet.

As for the benefits. Sure it's cool to comm with close blus but it's not vital. Squads shouldn't be that near to each other for the most part. So yeah too much hassle for too little benefit.

[Brainlaag]

Hi all,
It has been a while since I posted and this thred caught my attention.

So let's get on with opening a whole can of worms...

The main reason that I prefer not to use mumble is as a result of invasion of privacy. I understand the fundamental principle of mumble and the idea that you can hear what squad members friend and foe are talking about over a certain distance however, I may be having a private conversation with a clan mate that I do not want any one around me hearing. You must remember that this is a social event for friends in most cases and I for one do not want some of the unsavoury characters that I have met on PR listening in on my PRIVATE conversation. I mean do you really want (the one who's name we do not mention on this forum) listening in to your conversation, recording it then putting it on some crappy Utube video ???

The next reason I have elected to opt out of mumble is a little petty, granted however, I shall mention it. Over the last few patch's I have been militantly kicked out of servers and squads alike because I elected to not use mumble - simply put I don't kick you out or stop you from being in my squad just because your VOIP doesn't work... To cut a long story short: I did not appreciate the elitist attitude perused to try and make mumble fashionable. It actually got my back up a little and had a negative rather than positive effect on me.

Last month I was on a server where mumble was malfunctioning and as a result every one on mumble that was on our side could hear all communications of commander on the opposite team (unbeknown to him!!!). Involuntary communications intercept across the board...(need I say more?)

I appreciate what you mumble devs and programmers are trying to achieve here and the hard work that you have all put into improving our overall sound theatre however, for the above reasons I am not on board with the mumbling I prefer to talk loud and proud on TS3...

I hope that I have not caused any offence and wish to re-affirm that my comments are intended as constructive criticism in the hope that you will address the privacy issue though alas I fear that my opposition is against the fundamental idea and bones of the mumble concept and thus we may have reached an impasse at the first hurdle.

Well use TeamSpeak or In-Game VOIP for your private chatter instead of mumble ??:

[Cassius]

agreed. I cant even start up PR without mumble!

Yes its the same for me and most people I play with. I guess the reason some people dont use it, besides playing where nobody else uses it, is that they just like to be capricious out of principle. They go like, I might have done it, but now that you told me to check it out, I am not gonna do it, that is true for many aspects of the game and for many things in the real world. Like southern Italians and seatbelts (thats changing though).

I am sure those people are the exception though.

[boilerrat]

Not many people use it, and the bandwidth it takes rapes my ping which results in a kick from servers.

[TomDackery]

Because you're on it

But really, I use mumble so I don't know if this applies to me.

[Unarmed Civilian]

Im in a similar situation to you, but i still use mumble and it doesnt effect frame rates at all

Really? I'll give it a try on the weekend.

[A_Grounded_Pilot]

2. When I find myself near a friendly armour unit I can just use them as my squads personal tool, 'just spray that building first and second floor until we're in the ground floor'.

4. In a server not heavily populated with mumblers I love doing an armour squad with a mate with mumble so we can talk away without disrupting the rest of the squad.

This is THE ONLY way to run an armor squad. It doesn't matter how many mumblers are on the server. Only people within ~30m of the tank will be able to hear you communicating with your gunner anyways, and even then just barely. As a grunt, you have to get right up next to the armor to communicate with the crew. So as the tanker, use mumble to talk to your driver/gunner, and squad voip to talk to the other two tanks. It's perfect. And if you're the armor squad's leader (and in the SL channel like you should be), you can still talk to your gunner like all of the other tanks. An added benefit is that if you're a grunt who's standing next to an APC, you can tell him exactly what window that dude with the RPG who just popped his head up is in. I don't know what you are all talking about "no added benefit." Sorry if I sound like a rabid mumble fanboy, but it really is a game changer for me.

[Fenrir07]

People going apesh1t between rounds really put me off...

[splatters]

I do use it, simply because it increases communication between squads and squad members. The pros greatly overcome the cons.

On the server that I usually play on, the team that has more players on Mumble has a tendency to win, not always of course.