Pissed off by Shoveling+Running+Waiting

[BGratz]

(Sorry for englisch my motherlanguage is German, if the title is to Vulgar please edit him)

Men how it looks by you. Are you feel the same ?
After 1 Year break i testet now the actual version and its still the same.
32 men in your Team and only 1 who build Forward bases.


Let us a bit Calculate

To get one or 2 Crates to the Position its need up to 30 Minutes, but ok lets say normal 10 Minutes.
To set the Forward Base Herself+2 HMG+TOW+AA+ 3 Foxholes and 3 Wires 5 Min. + 10 Minutes if you alone to Run to the other Kit (Offi and one with a Shovel) Here Thanks that a Pioneer cant longer set Assets) + 5 Minutes to bring the Helicopter or Truck back to base
(+ 5-15 Minutes to get back to the Area where you want to build the Fob (if its not one in a row)

To Shovel them 90Sec FOB + 2*90 Sec HMG + 90 Sec AA + 90 Sec TOW + 6* 60 Sec for Foxholes and Wires = 13,5 Minutes to Shovel a average Forward Outpost

Ok lets say to build a Fob needs 5 + 5 + 13,5 + 15 = 40 Minutes
Because not every FOB need these 10 Assets lets say an Average Sheveling per FOB of 5 Minutes.
Because the Chance of 30% that there is a Sqad who deliver Crates lets say you need for the Crate Support Part 5 Minutes Per FOB.
So we can say that the average time to build a Fob is 10 Minutes.
To have a good play you need 4 FOB?s per Team
this are 40 Minutes of tiring work, (if the enemy dont destroy your fobs)


Ok now look what happend in Real

You play Muttra at MEC Side on a Public Server.
First, one of these super Boons get a Sniper or HAT kit and because he has not enough ammo he take the Support truck and drives him to the *** of the World.
The Other Truck is taken by the Mortar Sqad and is even gone.
So you need at the beginning 15 minutes to get a Truck.
--> 15 Min 0 FUN/Gaming--> 15 Running
Now you have a Truck and reload ist and Drive to the position where you want to Build this Fob
-->25 Minutes 0 FUN/Gaming--> 15 Running --> 10 Driving
Now you Build 4 Fobs, During that you Die Twice because of a APC and a Helo
-->100 Minutes 0 FUN/Gaming--> 25 Running--> 50 Driving --> 20 Sheveling --> 5 Waiting for Truck Respawn

Ok 100 Minutes are Gone and you are happy to get in Fight
Heres a Cut First your experience than lets see what paralel happens at the other Team

You Drive your Truck back and run 5-10 Minutes to the front because there is no Vehicle in base you can use alone. (or you waste the Support Truck)
After 10 Minutes of Fighting you Die and see that There is Not only one FOB ???? WTF????

-->120 Minutes 10 FUN/Gaming--> 30 Running--> 55 Driving --> 20 Sheveling --> 5 Waiting for Truck Respawn 5 Waiting for Taxi (if you have Luck)

At the same time at the other Team
They see that their enemy stand good. So one take the Commander Position
---> 3 Min Waiting for UAV during that this player organize the Communication to Apc Sqad, Cobra Sqad, Mortar Sqad , and one Infantrie Sqad.

After this he give
The Cobra the Coordinates of the first FOB
The APC the Position of the second FOB
The Mortars the Position of the only FOb you havent build because of the MEC Mortar Sqad
The Infantrie The Position of FOB 3
And on the Only Defendet FOB he set the AREA attack.

.... after 5-10 Minutes of being commander the Whole Work of 100 Minutes are gone


Sorry, i love PR, i gamed it last Year for several Months, and the last 2 Weeks for nearly 100 Hours. But Really, You cant Hide A Fob, theres NO WAY to hide a fob in for example Muttra. The only 2-4 Places Where you can hide a Fob are Known by all older Players. And so its really a Joke, you have 3 Choices on Public servers
1: Build the Fobs nearly the Full time of game, so have no fun but your Team win.
2: Dont Build the FOBS, Loose the round and run the most time over the map
3: Play like the most Boons and play only with Vehicles .... Shit on the Infantrie.


Really, or what do you thing, why is there on Publik this lack of Really Inf Sqads.

As a suggestion
Make the Fobs Himselfs Placable inside rooms so they wouldnt be Destroyed so fast, beacuse its really possible to hide them. (for the assets its ok... the bonus of a HMG or so is the work and the possibility of Spotting Worth)
Make it Possible (maybe by a Sourrounding Box) that Crates wouldnt be Destroyed so fast by Mortars and co.
Place more Vehicles on the Maps like Unarmed Jeeps or maybe Bikes, its not realistic that on a fight like muttra 20 APC get Destroyed but only 100 Infaterists. A Ration of 1 to 5 or 1-10 from Inf to Amored Vehicles is ..... not really Really


For me i can only say, i wont to be a boon so i wouldnt play only with Vehicles, and i wont play a Jogging Simulator. So i look on for a few Days or Weeks and if theres no Change i will look back in a Year .... Sorry its a Game , and i play for fun not for the things i Could have on Work.

[CommunistComma]

TLDR
We won the war, learn English (yes Canada was there)
You're problem is entirely based on the servers you're joining. Find a better server, with more PR players and less BF2 players.


Attitude problem infraction

Dunehunter

[stealth420]

LoL the dudes trying his best to type english, he just needs more lessons

[CommunistComma]

Not debating that, either point. I'm just saying we won the war, and that's a good way to decide what language will become the universal one. Like the Quebecois and them not learning 'der English 'der.
Just a thing that pisses me off is all.
Globalization. Get with it.

[BGratz]

its really hard to make teamplay on a 64 Server with 10 Different Languiges on it. There are german, English, Russian, Polan, French, Belgian, Czechs, Spanish, Turkish, Greek and so on. And there is not only a Different Language , theres a Different Livestyle , und because of that there are Different taktiks. But ok, Tolerance is for you a luxury good i belive after these Posts. Have fun by living in you own small world.

And what i really wanted is the experience of you other players. is it the same or are there Differences and if, which ?

Read the forum rules, your posts must be in English. Non-english removed - BloodBane

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[Teek]

Sounds like you were in a FOB squad, which I find is a waste of time. A Squad on defense + Logistics Squad is a much more efficient use of time and man power. It is a bloody waste of time, as you said, to build a fob by yourself and without anyone to guard it. That isnt the intended use of a FOB, they are not spawn points, they are defensive positions. If no one is building FOBs, and that isnt because there is a lack of crates, its is because no one wants to defend at all which means your team will lose and you might as well find a different server, or switch teams right then and there.

[ShockUnitBlack]

TLDR
We won the war, learn English (yes Canada was there)
You're problem is entirely based on the servers you're joining. Find a better server, with more PR players and less BF2 players.

Jeez, you're nice.

[LithiumFox]

Forgive our Canadian roommate, he's obviously a troll.

Anyways, while I see your point that most of the time is spent shoveling/running/waiting, that's the point.

It's a First Person Shooter with the heart of a Strategy game. Unlike other FPS's, you don't just run around corners and kill everyone (unless you're L4gi), but you come up with a plan.

You put down mortars to allow your team to call in strikes.

You have a CAS squad to call in missles.

And the thing is, if you play your cards right, you'll spend more time Shooting and killing than dying and respawning.

It all depends on how the game plays out.

And it doesn't hurt to have some friends in game to pass the time. It's supposed to be as realistic as it gets without killing gameplay, and honestly, i have WAY more fun playing this than i do Arma 2. I want realistic, just.. that's where it pushes to far for me. (that and the fact that i can't get above 20 fps when the actual shooting begins)

I see your concern, but honestly, I have a lot of fun shoveling. I don't know why.. I just feel like when I play, I'm contributing to the team. I have never cared for my personal score. I'm here for fun with the community, and that's what the game really ends up being about.

(as well as outwitting your opponent. See =H= Hardcore Ramiel: US victory (68 - 0) Silly insurgents)

[Target_Practice_117]

TLDR
We won the war, learn English (yes Canada was there)

About as mature as the players he's been suffering with on his servers. Can you show us how well you type german?

And he has a point. I'd say since .91 tards have been secretly been creeping in to our beloved Mod.

1 man squads with logi's running off to die alone rig a bell? Bad attitude of that dude in your squad? and lately TK'ing on servers.. it's slowly getting worse.

Squads are slowing becoming more selfish to the rest of the team... Back in earlier versions people would actually return the logi or assets left in the field out of duty to the side... it's becoming a rare sight these days

I've seen all this before though guys.. I remember the days of Counter Strike beta .4 the CS community was much like this one, people were helpful and friendly towards helping new players understand how the mod operates.... just take a look at it now.

PR is right now in it's golden year... I really hope it stays that way.

[Hunt3r]

When you want to make a spawn point, just drop off one crate, dig up the outpost, and do nothing else. Outposts that people will be defending need to have two crates and all the good ol' defenses, though.

[Target_Practice_117]

When you want to make a spawn point, just drop off one crate, dig up the outpost, and do nothing else. Outposts that people will be defending need to have two crates and all the good ol' defenses, though.

Right on the money hunter.. a FOB is exactly that.. a spawn point, it is still a game afterall and no one likes walking 4 kms

Too many times a squad (with good intention) builds a fob complete with TOW and shennanigans then 2 minutes later up and moves onto the next flag... and with only 2 x TOW's available each map in game... it can be a waist of assets and leave you undefended elsewhere. I think Muttrah docks is a prime example of this.

I think we've all been guilty of it one time or another. (i know I have )

What I will do lately is burn the TOW and AA before leaving (The TOW is usually empty my then too) HMG's are pretty pletyfull so not important to destroy them but it helps on a busy map (and helps hide the FOB with less to find)

Kokan is a great example of a quick build and destroy fob, you can setup accross a grass plain in the tree's with a FOB, HMG's and TOW to hit a very busy cache hard. The thermal on the TOW is very underused for this purpose (it highlights those sneaky Taliban ambushes) and smash them silly with heavy fire until your support gets in on the cache. then you destroy the lot (except the spawn point) because in .95 the next cache is going to be miles away as they always spawn far apart.

And you know you've build a stayer when you Whole side starts spawning on your kick *** FOB

[masterceo]

We won the war, learn English

I thought the russians did, do you speak russian?

[MCI]

Too much vanilla BF 2 players around, just wait untill the 'new release' junkies back off and the PR-core players come back.

OR

Get into the Australian servers, teamplay isn't death over there

...

On a side note that might be hard if your English is not that good developed.

[Tartantyco]

That isnt the intended use of a FOB, they are not spawn points, they are defensive positions.

No no, I'm pretty sure they're intended as spawn points...

[DenvH]

FOB's have 2 uses, you either use them as spawn to the front line, in that case you do not (have to) build defences like wires and HMG's ect, or as defensive position set up to defend an area like a road block to make sure the enemy cannot use the road.

The new player issues have always been around, and we were all new at some point as well.. Just get over it and try to learn them how to play I guess, however I found myself tk'ing a havoc when my AA missle, also fired from a havoc bounced of an enemy flare and hit them. Resulting in angry reaction even after apologising, they tried to shoot me down with a HAT kit.. Those were probably not new players as they seem to know how to fly, but it's not always new people..

[NyteMyre]

Can you show us how well you type german?

German isn't a national language, English is.
I blame German television with their lack of original English audio as the main reason why most German kids are very bad in English.


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Totally back ontopic...

I've NEVER worked 13 minutes to get a FOB up. Are you shoveling on your own or something?

[General_J0k3r]

putting a fob takes about 20s with a full squad and some coordination.

put one (!) crate, drop fob, shovel, ???, profit

[CptWilky]

Not debating that, either point. I'm just saying we won the war, and that's a good way to decide what language will become the universal one. Like the Quebecois and them not learning 'der English 'der.
Just a thing that pisses me off is all.
Globalization. Get with it.

thats absolutely out of order for a comment, and the previous one you write

[L4gi]

(unless you're L4gi)

I lol'd. Thanks for the compliment(?)