Severe "pacification" of the community

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LithiumFox
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Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by LithiumFox »

because pacification is the closest word that sounds like the word i actually WANTED to use, but would probably get infracted for it. (It's related to a female body part.... No offense females > >)

:| - *my facial expressions*

So what it up with all the sob stories about how their old computer can't run PR anymore, or about how it's lost it's core values and blah blah blah?

First off, if i recall, the core values of PR have been:
- Create a mod that blends realism with gameplay, creating a unique experience that only Project Reality can deliver, even though it might only be a niche game.
- To push the limits of the BF2 engine to create a more engaging and realistic experience (Eg. New sound overhaul, better looking graphics, on top of more realistic looking graphics, ex: better looking soldiers)
- To create something the devs, as well as the community, will want to play for years to come
- Something else that i had in my head that I actually was going to write before the pushing limits part, but i forgot.. was important though... > >
To those about graphics:

It's been almost 5-6 years. I upgrade my computer every year a little bit on a 8.40/hr walmart paycheck working 33 hours a week. I still save up money for other things, but I do use my computer for a lot of work, so i have to keep it updated. If you have had your computer for 5-6 years and haven't upgraded it at all, that is not the dev's problem. Honestly, they spend a lot of time trying to create a more optimized mod for lower end machines. There are some optimizations that they've probably left out, plus rhino is working on his new style of optimizations which sounds promising.
I don't believe that one of the core values of PR was "Hey lets keep this low end." but infact "Let's see how far we can go."

Not to speak on behalf of the devs like that, but... it just doesn't make sense that if you have a computer for 5-6 years, especially some of you that have a cheap 400 dollar one from 5-6 years ago, for you to be complaining. I do sympathize with some of you as I didn't have a good enough computer, and I know how this game runs, as well as I understand some of your guy's and gal's positions in life. Not everyone can afford new shit, but to those of you who complain about how the devs are not sastisfying your needs and have lost their core beliefs, you are speaking madness. (Ruining your sparta joke riiiight now.)



Now, to those about gameplay:

Do you really know how hard it is to create a game the entire community can enjoy? You and your friend might bicker about which game mode is better, more fun, or more realistic. You could even argue about which features of the game, such as that dolphin diving issue, are more gameplay specific than realistic, or vice versa.

The point is, the devs, who out of the ENTIRE KINDNESS of their sometimes self-assorbed but still decent enough hearts (Sorry, but just because you give me stuff for free doesn't mean i'm going to defend you to the end of the earth, I respect YOUR WORK but for a select few of you I just can't respect your character. Sorry. =/)

But the point is they do still put a LOT of time into this, a lot of that is their free time, not paid, and they have to deal with bickering with each other about what features to have, what features to not, and some people get pissed and leave, and all this ****.
(It's not a fairytale land of rainbows and butter.... well actually... maybe in Rhino's happy place it is... but not in the PR dev f*sniped by a shadowy figure*.......


;)

Anyways, i digress from my sillyness. The main point is, they have to spend all of this time doing reanimations, modifying code, messing with models, tweaking the gameplay, and then in the end optimizing.

The reason the game isn't optimized yet, i would assume, is because they're still adding features. If you optimize early, you can sometimes lose some of the features you could've added, and it becomes a real pain in the butt to make a work around, as that work around might cause all the optimizations to be worth nothing.

I mean, hell, the game still runs better than Bethesda games, and for that I thank you devs.


Now if I see another person complain and whine that the Devs have ruined everything because of something I'm going to snap. They have created what they feel the community as a whole will enjoy, as well as themselves. They haven't ruined anything, you're just growing up, or you just like a certain type of game that PR isn't anymore. The sad thing is, when I play, I still see stuff from .5, and each step along the way I can remember some of the new stuff they implemented. You still see traces of the older versions if you look closely. I think that's something a lot of people here miss sometimes. The game is evolving, and to be honest, I think the game is almost perfect. The last 8 rounds i've played have been some of the closest, most ingenious games of any video game i've ever played. (Minus one round where we capped them out in 20 or so minutes.. > > ) And sure the game isn't amazingly optimized, but for a MOD, it's amazingly done. It's not like we're playing a game with the budget of EA or something, this is done by people who have lives and work for a living. Sadly, I think a lot of you just don't care. For you, I say find a spork, and gouge out your eyes. You do not deserve them. You might as well just punch a child in the face, because obviously you have no feelings or remorse.

Oh, and just remember, if you're having issues TALK to people, ask the devs even. Don't just say "OH I QUIT" and leave a whiny, ill-informed, self-pity thread about how the devs ruined everything, or that you'll love the memories.

(but if you're leaving for actual REASONS, like say Life, going into the armed forces, or your computer died etc., then yes, a "memories" thread is appropriate. )

JUST LEARN TO THINK BEFORE YOU POST!!!! (<-- Hypocrite) 8-)

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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Haji with a Handgun »

I completely agree. I built my computer on a students salary, for under 250 quid and I can run PR on medium-high with decent framerate. The only people complaining are the people who don't have jobs or people whose parent or other guardian buys their parts. You could have a decent computer working as a janitor.

About the mod, gameplay-wise and such, as you said, its a MOD. People put their time and effort into something and then disgruntled PR players turn around and call it ****. Even if they did ruin the mod, ITS THEIRS to ruin. They have the power to take it anywhere they want and yet they listen to the community, despite the nay-sayers.

I think I speak for all/most of the PR community when I say, THANK YOU DEVS. Thank god you have put the time in to make the only game I play anymore.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by CallousDisregard »

LithiumFox wrote:because pacification is the closest word that sounds like the word i actually WANTED to use, but would probably get infracted for it. (It's related to a female body part.... No offense females > >)
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(but if you're leaving for actual REASONS, like say Life, going into the armed forces, or your computer died etc., then yes, a "memories" thread is appropriate. )

JUST LEARN TO THINK BEFORE YOU POST!!!! (<-- Hypocrite) 8-)
I second your motion.
I think there are a lot of ppl that you don't hear from and perhaps the true balance of people who appreciate this game and understand that spending a 100 or so every couple of years to keep up with it is a rock bottom bargain price is not immediately obvious.
It is MOD but I think that is legal speak at this point because, to me at least, it is an entirely different game that has subtle but always game changing additions every 6 months and not every new release requires an upgrade to maintain your settings.

The whole concept that a game developer would be somehow obligated to keep the game simple, year after year, to satisfy some small percentage of the NON-paying public is just ludicrous.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Dev1200 »

Once the poll in the PR Forums for "What specs do you run PR at?" goes to "Low End" Instead of "Maxed out" (IIRC high settings is about [EDIT :P ]67.64% of the community), then yes, PR will start optimizations ;)


So, to people who say "omg this is laggy new patch sucksz", play on lower settings. Otherwise, please understand that everything in PR is working progress. If you don't like playing unfinished games, please, stop playing.

I've had to change my AA from 8X to 4X for the new patch. Sad, I know. Doesn't mean the game's optimization sucks, it means my computer can't handle the amount of awesome in PR ;)

High 786 67.64%
Medium 223 19.19%
Low 153 13.17%


786 > 376. Until then, whiners ;P
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

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optimization is always going on, but there are a lot of stuff that we can do better and that we will be working on performance wise, the thing is that doing it, is a very boring, time consuming and tedious task.
We are doing a new way of doing the level of details for weapons and it should drastically improve the quality and optimization of our weapons.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Wh33lman »

has it ever occurd to you that we dont want to have to leave. my computer is 3 years old, ive had to upgrad it a little with every build. its now at its limit if i try and add anything else, its going to fry it.

now i happen to live with my parents as a full time student. i have no income and i cant buy a new computer. i would love to see what Fallujah West looks like with the settings maxed out.

i dont want to stop playing, for the most part its a great game. but i have not seen the outside of the base on Lashkar Valley. i have NEVER seen Dragonfly or Iron Ridge. i have stopped playing because i cant keep up.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Conman51 »

For some reason im just kind of getting tired of gaming over all, and partly it has to do with my shit computer :cry:

PR isnt as interesting for me any more sadly, although still my favorite game, but this is partly because lag, for example yesterday i was playing wanda shan with horrible server lag, and as infantry on that map its kind of boring, I wish some one would have a .75 retro day, it would increase my interest for PR again, old memories good times
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Warpig- »

Don't really want to sound like an ******* here, but I will anyway.

Pc parts are DIRT cheap now. When I bought my gtx 280 it was 500+ bucks, you can get an equivalent card for just over 250 bucks now. 2GB sticks of ram here are 40 bucks.

The BF2 requirements are old. This isn't 2003. Just buy a new computer, even if it is just to run PR It won't cost much.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

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LithiumFox wrote:because pacification is the closest word that sounds like the word i actually WANTED to use, but would probably get infracted for it. (It's related to a female body part.... No offense females > >)

:| - *my facial expressions*
Vaginafication?

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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Conman51 »

Warpig- wrote:Don't really want to sound like an ******* here, but I will anyway.

Pc parts are DIRT cheap now. When I bought my gtx 280 it was 500+ bucks, you can get an equivalent card for just over 250 bucks now. 2GB sticks of ram here are 40 bucks.

The BF2 requirements are old. This isn't 2003. Just buy a new computer, even if it is just to run PR It won't cost much.
would if i could get a job, im selling old stuff like a snowboard of mine never used but no one wants to buy it, its frkn impossible to get a job.

But FPS lag is only part of the problem, server lag on some of the new maps, especially the ones with too many trees, just kind of kills the game some times
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by DevilDog812 »

i dont blame the devs or project reality. i dont have any money to buy a new computer and i cant upgrade my current one because its a laptop. "lower your settings"? im on all low settings playing in a 800x600 window and still not being able to play. just because you have the money to update your computer constantly, doesnt mean everybody can though, keep that in mind.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

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The reason i posted this was because of two posts almost posted within the same hour.

The first one involved how the devs have basically forgotten the whole reason they made the mod, solely on the basis that the optimizations were horrible, and that they were adding new guns and new gun variants. :roll: Which the army uses btw.....


The second was just a post about how they couldn't get it to run on specs that are higher than most peoples here, yet they were so furious and complained that the engine is 6 years old so it shouldn't be this slow (despite the dev's updated and more detailed graphics, as well as more players in a general area... due to squads and what not) So they were like "OMG IM JUST DONE" and basically crying for no reason.


I understand we have children here.. but... seriously... If anything I wonder if sometimes we as a community are losing our maturity.

....And Vaginafication sounds perfect welshmandan... lol.


Edit: @devildog

And i understand and respect that, at least you don't blame the devs or the community for it, and that's what irks me....

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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Arnoldio »

Ill go earn some money if i feel like i need to buy something, not whine here how the game is too demanding and whatnot.

Same as sending mails to big game companies to make their games look from 2000, because you and some others cannot play. Silly.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Wakain »

look I agree with you here, even though you might've put the message a little too harshly. keep in mind though that the "whiners" are the newcomers who haven't yet read every single post in every single interesting looking thread like we prfreaks have. those guys may be a little frustrating by lack of knowledge of pr gameplay, standards and how pr is made (and it's appreciation) but hey, didn't we all start like that? give those guys time, for they will form the generations that will create a grand playerbase and keep this game alive alive ho even when there are no updates. among them there will be the new contributors and possibly even the new dev's.

immigration is not a bad thing ;)
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

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LithiumFox wrote:The reason i posted this was because of two posts almost posted within the same hour.

The first one involved how the devs have basically forgotten the whole reason they made the mod, solely on the basis that the optimizations were horrible, and that they were adding new guns and new gun variants. :roll: Which the army uses btw.....


The second was just a post about how they couldn't get it to run on specs that are higher than most peoples here, yet they were so furious and complained that the engine is 6 years old so it shouldn't be this slow (despite the dev's updated and more detailed graphics, as well as more players in a general area... due to squads and what not) So they were like "OMG IM JUST DONE" and basically crying for no reason.


I understand we have children here.. but... seriously... If anything I wonder if sometimes we as a community are losing our maturity.

....And Vaginafication sounds perfect welshmandan... lol.


Edit: @devildog

And i understand and respect that, at least you don't blame the devs or the community for it, and that's what irks me....

Parts are cheap as hell. I recently purchased a PR-Worthy laptop for $900. You can buy a desktop for MUCH cheaper, especially if you build it. Try newegg, good parts there.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

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A basic machine with a 775pin CPU (not this new i-core series) would cost easily <$500 and would be perfectly capable of running PR (As well as new releases and games renowned for the beast PC requirements). I know mine is ;)

I think what OP is getting at here is that complaining that PR won't work on your PC will not get you anywhere. PC gaming (be it a smalltime mod or the entire industry) is not going to move backwards because you can't run a game, and this will sound blunt... but nobody cares. Post a thread on a mainstream developers forum (EA, Blizzard) complaining that your PC doesnt run their product and see how far you get.

Just did a quick search on a few parts here in Aus.

775pin Mobo: ~$50
CPU: ~$50 - $150. depending on power
2gb RAM: <$50
GFX: 1GB GT210/220 ~$70
PSU: $50 + depending on quality/wattage
DVD: ~$40

Obviously prices/parts vary GREATLY across the world but I'm assuming civilised/firstworld countries such as the USA have the same, if not cheaper, prices and parts so don't have a go at me because of that because I am WELL aware. Also yes, well aware that some people cannot afford it/are not in the position to upgrade etc etc, I'm not that naive... I'm just saying, doing you're research, sucking it up etc. will get you a lot further
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Teek »

I agree withyou on all accounts lithium. Its like, say, holding back highway building in the 20's because your car is too slow to use it.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by Albatross »

You are all saying "heap . cheap" but i think you are over looking that not everyone is as computer savvy and can't purchase and put together their own PC from scratch..
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by SnipeHunt »

How much larger is PR than Vanilla?
This could be a rhetorical question. BF2 was not meant for this kind of awesomeness.
Look at the *** thread and the stuff that is "hardcoded and impossible" a few of those suggestions have made it into reality. I saw int the forums there is/was someone making fastroping close to reality. The PR DEVs are packing 20lbs of win into a 5lb bag. Even if you are playing with a supercomputer you are still going to CTD and get lag and other problems.
I think you just have to accept that this mod is a frankenstein of efforts and has plenty of quirks that you have to deal with.
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Re: Severe "pacification" of the community

Post by KingLorre »

Right the bashing of people with no money has started again,

Truth be told, i dont have any money to buy new parts, Im an intern and one that apperently doesnt have the right to any compensation whatsoever. The only income i have is Governement funding for my college, now you arent seriously suggesting that i put that money into buying a new computer JUST so i can play that move i love to play every so often to get my mind of things do you?
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