Aerial Vehicles COOP/Training = BOT Reserved = Reason?

[FoxThreeCAN]

1) Bots do not pay for BF2
2) Bots do not take the time to install PR
3) Bots do not read the manuals for an hour trying to figure everything out
4) Bots do not give up their personal time to play this mod.

My point/ suggestion - remove this insanely ridiculous setting as many would enjoy giving their teams close air support (not to mention learn how to use assets to a much more fine extent) . Forgive me if this has already been addressed, but I could not find any recent posts regarding it (hundreds per day) . I would like to know what the community thinks about this as well? People who asset whore will do it regardless , so acting as norton parental controls will not solve anything.

Thanks

[Gozjh]

Reason they did this was because people were complaning about bot aircraft... or aircraft that has been changed to allow AI's to fly. It would be nice if there were an ability in the serve UI to allow or disallow the spawning of Bot aircraft, or maby a duplicate layer with only human air assets?

[Bringerof_D]

bots cannot fly with the settings of PR aircraft, the aircraft which are labeled as "bots only" are made so that bots can fly them as per vBF2. even if you could use them, it'd be no help at all as practice. there should be aircraft around available for the players however i believe they spawn separate from the bot ones

[Snazz]

even if you could use them, it'd be no help at all as practice.

To you maybe, it's a different case for other players. They were more help as practice when players could at least fly them, now they're useless.

As for the differences between bot and human aircraft, only the jets on Kashan had significant performance changes (agility, take off distance). The helicopters were in most ways the same, with only subtle changes. I only noticed that the bot hueys were slightly slower and couldn't fly upside down, which doesn't matter at all.

People did complain about the bot jets being too vanilla before, but barely noticed which helicopters were different. IMO it'd be best to just remove the bot jets, their constant and excessive carpet bombing on Kashan is annoying anyway.

Bot's are rarely of any use in helicopters, they occasionally get lucky with attack helicopters but most of time they fly straight to an objective and hover until getting shot down. At least before players could make decent use of them, in the same ways they would with normal choppers.

[Wh33lman]

Snazz, are we really going to have this conversation again?

if your not flying PR aircraft, your not learning to use them. you get into a server and say "well i flew in coop!", thats about as good as saying "well i flew in regular BF2."

you cant haz easy airplane. you dont like it go, play vanilla.

[CCCode]

Snazz, are we really going to have this conversation again?

if your not flying PR aircraft, your not learning to use them. you get into a server and say "well i flew in coop!", thats about as good as saying "well i flew in regular BF2."

you cant haz easy airplane. you dont like it go, play vanilla.

I don't think Snazz wants the bot plane.. Just not make it bot only. In coop you might not learn how to fly using bot planes, but tactics.

IMO i dont care about the planes, but the trans helos? Bots hover over a flag untill they reach a certain height and explode. Bot trans helos just use helipads and stuff we could use and costs us tickets for blowing their toy helo and killing the bots in it while it does.

[whatshisname55]

Also, there are servers that set all the bots on one team and humans on the other, as I'm sure you all know. So considering this, if it were possible, an option should be added to include bot only vehicles in the map or not, which can be set per server, eliminating the need for bot compatible helicopters and all of the pilots will be using their deployment counterparts, pleasing those of you who don't like people flying the "BF2 style" bot helicopters.

[Hunt3r]

Remove the bot jets, in normal jets it's almost impossible to win against them, so the only way to kill bot jets without flying one is to use AAVs, which aren't the most reliable things in the shed.

[Bringerof_D]

lets remember that bots still think they can cap a flag by hovering over it

[Wh33lman]

Remove the bot jets, in normal jets it's almost impossible to win against them, so the only way to kill bot jets without flying one is to use AAVs, which aren't the most reliable things in the shed.

nobody uses AA, how would you know how reliable they are? spend some time in one and learn to use it.

in coop there are no "no win" situations. nothing is impossible. stop looking at all the chances as a drawback and see them as new challenges. you have bragging rights. i.e. your beat the bots with one arm tied behind your back!

[ballard_44]

Remove the bot jets, in normal jets it's almost impossible to win against them,

I love hearing that
And to think they are 'dumbed down'.

lets remember that bots still think they can cap a flag by hovering over it

They think they can because they can.

[Snazz]

if your not flying PR aircraft, your not learning to use them. you get into a server and say "well i flew in coop!", thats about as good as saying "well i flew in regular BF2." ...you cant haz easy airplane. you dont like it go, play vanilla.

I don't want bot jets or vanilla jets.

As for the helicopters they are PR aircraft, the differences between the choppers tweaked for bots and the normal ones are very subtle. People were complaining about the different jets in 0.9 not helicopters, limiting them to bots was completely unnecessary and disruptive.

nobody uses AA

The main reason people don't bother to use AA for long is because they're barely effective. They quickly run out of ammo and need to be driven all the way back to main to rearm, which takes far longer than it does for bots to respawn jets and take off with fresh bomb loads. Similar case for fighter jets, even if you outmaneuver the bots and shoot them down by the time you've landed to rearm more are already airborne.

The only way to effectively fight them is to rape their main with a tank or IFV so they can't take off in the first place. That only lasts until you run out of ammo, provided you're not taken out by enemy armor or miss the jets. Otherwise most ground forces around the objectives are carpet bombed to oblivion. I don't know about you but driving across Kashan just to get bombed by bots over and over again isn't my idea of a fun round.

ballard_44;1481184']I love hearing that
And to think they are 'dumbed down' ...They think they can because they can.

We've established the bots rape in jets and are only useful in helicopters to the extent that they can cap points if they don't get shot down first while hovering over them.

So how about addressing the issues? Like reverting the needless limitation of the helicopters, taking bots out of jets or making 2 different map layers as has been suggested. At least toning down the spawn times and bomb loads on bot jets.

[whatshisname55]

As for the helicopters they are PR aircraft, the differences between the choppers tweaked for bots and the normal ones are very subtle.

I beg to differ, flying a bot heli feels a lot different than a deployment version to me.

[Snazz]

I beg to differ, flying a bot heli feels a lot different than a deployment version to me.

Can you describe how?

I've flown a lot in coop and deployment, most of the time I wasn't able to tell which was a normal heli and which was a bot heli in coop. Nothing that would prevent me from practicing effectively or generally using them like I would in deployment.

[CBCRonin]

Can you describe how?

I've flown a lot in coop and deployment, most of the time I wasn't able to tell which was a normal heli and which was a bot heli in coop. Nothing that would prevent me from practicing effectively or generally using them like I would in deployment.

The human versions are a lot "heavier" in feel. I, like you, flew quite a bit of practice in previous versions CoOp/deployment.

I tailored my controls setup in CoOp local to get the best response from my chopper (inex. sensitivity, pitch, yaw.), specifically for the little bird, and noticed a huge difference when trying vehicles on deployment map.

I noticed it most with the smaller choppers and jets, as the larger transport choppers feel like flying a large bag of wet meat in either mode (regardless of settings). Maybe it is because I use a trackball mouse, rather than a stick, that I can notice the variance.

[whatshisname55]

Yea, heavier meaning mainly the momentum for me. They also feel more responsive except turning into a rock at extreme speeds.
The bot choppers felt like they generally had the same responsiveness at all speeds and they seemed feathery when talking about inertia, kind of the opposite of the human ones. And despite how many disagree with the idea that they are so "BF2 Style", I have to say that they do feel more like arcade games than the human ones, to me at least.
I use a laser gaming mouse and a typical keyboard.

[FoxThreeCAN]

So FFS,

Eliminate BOT jets ! Have only PR style jets! ELIMINATE THE HASTLE...THE CHAT ... THE EXPLANATIONS... If people are going to ***** then - as per my original post (they will do w/e they do best) , just get rid of the damn things. Don't have 3 attack helis sitting there in Karbala as decoration. To think that it was intentionally programmed is beyond me (waste of time). Few servers allow the mix up of bots+humans. Like you said, PR flying is PR Flying, and let's be realistic; COOP is a tad bit more forgivable. This Norton parental control mindset needs to be abolished. If someone is operating a bot jet..... then the other person can do the same thing!