Dutch Bunkers

[Gosu-Rizzle]

This looks pretty cool, always nice to get new statics. We have alot of these here in Denmark aswell, all the way down our western coast.


Edit: I havent seen any here with the metal hooks on that yours have.. But i have seen this though :

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good job, well done and looks like the real thing.

[DeltaFart]

OMG rosu hahhahahaah that is hilarious!

[BlackMagikz]

good job on the bunkers

ooh Gosu Rizzle it looks its high tide or the bunkers are going to be swallowed by the sea due to erosion

[AfterDune]

lol that is awesome! almost all old nieuwe waterlinie(new waterline)bunkers are overgrown and sprayed with graffiti nowadays though.

apart from that hardly constructive remark I'm only positive about the implemention of some typical dutch statics

The map will be based on the area where I live. None of these bunkers have graffiti on them . They are partially overgrown though.

Wait... Are those underground bunkers, then?

Because I can see some windows...

No, that's the entrance. And that's the only opening the large bunker has. Well, there's this hole on the top, meant for a periscope - but they never got them, so there's just a hole.. Large enough to throw a nade in mind you .
This large bunker is only for "shelter".


About the smaller bunker, it used to have a cupola with MG. As posted before, after the German invasion, they blew up almost all of the cupolas, rendering the piece of concrete pretty useless.

I'm sure it won't be useless in-game though, you can still "enter" it and make your own MG emplacement .

[Wakain]

The map will be based on the area where I live. None of these bunkers have graffiti on them

lucky you, they look better without graffiti

[Gosu-Rizzle]

good job on the bunkers

ooh Gosu Rizzle it looks its high tide or the bunkers are going to be swallowed by the sea due to erosion

Yeah, many of them arent doing so great anymore. They have been there for 69 years after all. It dosent look like the Nazis build them to last forever

[AfterDune]

I don't know about those, but the ones here are built by the Dutch, not the Nazis. Most were built in 1939 or 1940, when the war started / was about to begin (for us anyway).

[Gosu-Rizzle]

I don't know about those, but the ones here are built by the Dutch, not the Nazis. Most were built in 1939 or 1940, when the war started / was about to begin (for us anyway).

Oh, okay. I just assumed yours where done by the Nazis since they did that many places on the western coast of Europe. (Mainly in France and Denmark)
I didnt know other European nations had time to built deffences like these before they got invaded. (We certainly didnt..)

[Glimmerman]

Oh, okay. I just assumed yours where done by the Nazis since they did that many places on the western coast of Europe. (Mainly in France and Denmark)
I didnt know other European nations had time to built deffences like these before they got invaded. (We certainly didnt..)

Yes that was mainly the atlantic wall, these bunkers were to defend Holland from the Nazi's

[jerkzilla]

Does this mean the Russians have reached Holland?

[Glimmerman]

i am afraid so its a very sad day for all of us

[AfterDune]

I didnt know other European nations had time to built deffences like these before they got invaded. (We certainly didnt..)

Many bunkers were done very quickly. I believe the ones around Dordrecht are done much quicker than the ones in my area. Building started in 1939 or so, precaution I'd say.

[Pariel]

Slightly off-topic, I guess.

Were they actually used during the war?

[Wakain]

in some places yes, but without too much succes I'm affraid(except that one place were a wehrmacht train was delayed for almost a day I believe )
some bunkers never saw action because the germans paradropped FJ's behind it making them obsolete in defense

[Epim3theus]

Slightly off-topic, I guess.
Were they actually used during the war?

Enlarged picture [War over Holland - May 1940: the Dutch struggle]
The nature of German warfare (schwerpunkte) dictates that not all of them were used, ofcourse.
So only the places the Germans thought best suited for an assault were used, once the line was broken the rest was essentially useless. Just like any rigid fortified line of defence, anyways without an offensive mobile force behind it, wich the Dutch army lacked.
Sadly while the dutch lines of defence (from the beginning 1930ies )were build, they were not deamed military terrain, small country eh, so this meant that tourists and locals alike could walk around when the soldiers were of from digging their trenches and were back at baracks. This also meant that German officers had scoped the terrain they wanted to attack with great precission, plotting the positions...
The new waterline, the traditional mainline of defence (17th century) where Afterdune is talking about, was attacked in 2 places, at the Grebbeberg and slightly to the north of that at Schepenzeel where the German assault was fenced of with relative ease.
This attack was carried out because their innitial attack at the Grebbeberg took longer than the Germans anticipated, although it held out for only 3 days in the end. Here the inudations hadn't taken place and the army wasn't allowed to clear the field of fire untill the Germans had actually invaded Holland. They managed to fall back to another old defencive line that hadn't been fortified.
The Germans had been held up at forward river lines Wakain was talking about for around a day or less by, light, thin stretched forces that lacked any artillery or air support. This line had been a compromise because of the lack of forces to occupied it, and was basically a guard to prevent a strategic coupe de gras like the one that happened in Denmark. Occupants were ordered to fall back if they could, wich proved difficult due to the lack of communications, dutch forces on many occasion relied on the civilian phone grid.

I'm not sure if your question is implying that there wasn't much fighting going on in Holland or not, but all in all in 5 days fighting 2200 died and over 8000 were wounded.

More info in English if you'd like can be found here:Welcome [War over Holland - May 1940: the Dutch struggle]
Wakain might want to check it aswel.

[cyberzomby]

Wauw! Didnt knew there was a fight in Scherpenzeel. I only knew the Grebbenberg where my grandfather fought. I'm going to read up there as well.

[Epim3theus]

You may have heard of this site, Welkom - De Slag om de Grebbeberg en Betuwestelling in mei 1940, but if not, it has detailed combat reports and interviews aswel as fotomaterial of the battle and the terrain.

More extensive material on the whole of the Grebbeline can be found in the books of ret. Colonel Brongers, can be found in most libraries.

[myles]

Reminds me of some of the missions in MOH:Frontline

Nice job!

[J.Brawn]

Looks good!