Flag capping disabled

[Arnoldio]

On the discussion of rushing and everything, this would be a good compromise for those who want to rush and for those who dont want to be rushed.

Simply disabling the capping of the flag that is not in play for your team. Now i dont know if this is possible, but maybe a mapper could tell more.

You could only cap in order and not prevent enemies from capping their first flag just because you are hiding somewhere in the radius, but you will have to effectively engage and ambush/surprise the other team to stall them, not just be there.

Problem is solved. Rushing is avaliable, its not as easy to do, doesnt exploit the gameplay, and on the other hand all flags are visible, with proper teamwork rushers can be eliminated.

[Rhino]

Not a bad idea, is possible to do that with python.

[goguapsy]

I like that.

Hopefully would prevent this:


(screenie from HunterMed from [AAR] The Usual https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f112-p ... usual.html)

[Oskar]

Sounds like a very good and simple idea at first glance.

[ComradeHX]

I like this idea.

These days a lot of people play with the mentality of playing in Call of "duty"... they try to get to action immediately and be in the thick of a mindless firefight. None of those people realize that capping each point first and patrolling/advancing around the next one then suddenly having enemy contact and starting the firefight is more fun than bum-rushing.

[Bluedrake42]

what? I dont get this

[Zoddom]

what? I dont get this

haha me either. capping is already disabled when out of order, i dont understand what you are suggesting chiz
edit: hm i think.... do you want to say that its possible to block the enemies capping even when youre not able to cap it youself? then i didnt even know this was possible, i always follow AAS
yes would be great, as i thought it would be like this already xD

[Arnoldio]

haha me either. capping is already disabled when out of order, i dont understand what you are suggesting chiz
edit: hm i think.... do you want to say that its possible to block the enemies capping even when youre not able to cap it youself? then i didnt even know this was possible, i always follow AAS
yes would be great, as i thought it would be like this already xD

Yeah. Its not possible to cap, but you can prevent enemy from capping by just hiding somewhere in the radius.

[Bluedrake42]

haha me either. capping is already disabled when out of order, i dont understand what you are suggesting chiz
edit: hm i think.... do you want to say that its possible to block the enemies capping even when youre not able to cap it youself? then i didnt even know this was possible, i always follow AAS
yes would be great, as i thought it would be like this already xD

OHHHHH really? I didn't even know you could do that.

[Zoddom]

OHHHHH really? I didn't even know you could do that.

well i knew it but it seems i just wasnt concious of it and of the problem its causing.

[Bluedrake42]

well i knew it but it seems i just wasnt concious of it and of the problem its causing.

yeah that's a big deal, I would consider this to be more of a bug, yeah this should get fixed right away

[Yrkidding]

sounds like a good idea, would help a bad problem

[Rhino]

After sleeping on this, what might be a better idea is not to have enemies on a flag they can't cap have no effect, since the flag radius's are so large that you could take a flag without even seeing an enemy, even if they are on the flag looking for you.

What might be better is to slow down the capture time if enemies are on the flag, giving more time for a fire fight etc but the big problem here is even this just really swaps over the roles from what they where before. Now the attackers are the ones hiding in a bush waiting for the flag to be captured, and the defenders/ambushers are the ones looking for the enemy, where before it was the other way around....

[Arnoldio]

After sleeping on this, what might be a better idea is not to have enemies on a flag they can't cap have no effect, since the flag radius's are so large that you could take a flag without even seeing an enemy, even if they are on the flag looking for you.

What might be better is to slow down the capture time if enemies are on the flag, giving more time for a fire fight etc but the big problem here is even this just really swaps over the roles from what they where before. Now the attackers are the ones hiding in a bush waiting for the flag to be captured, and the defenders/ambushers are the ones looking for the enemy, where before it was the other way around....

You are kinda right, but any form of stalling with the capping time is beneficial to the rushers. With completely disabled capping it would mean that rushers wont go for the flag, but rather for roads and areas the enemy will come from as flag doesnt have any effect on them and this is the problem youre saying about hiding and seeking. If flag area is nice and handy, sure, they ill use it, but for the sole purpose of killing/disctracting the enemies.

Rushing will be more tactical and hard this way as youll have to fing good enemy approach lines, be prepared for everything, know the map and be fast *** hell not just drive to the flag because they will be there.

Short, you will have to kill/stall the enemies effectively before they get into the cap radius for your rushing maneuver to be most efficient. There, rushing reinvented.

[Bringerof_D]

brilliant idea, this means squads can in fact act as shock troops while not being able to exploit the "no capping till enemy are out of the area" effect

the current system's problem is that although you cannot cap an inactive flag, your presence makes it impossible for the enemy to cap it.

finding good bottle necks will be more important than finding a good hiding spot

[Rhino]

You are kinda right, but any form of stalling with the capping time is beneficial to the rushers. With completely disabled capping it would mean that rushers wont go for the flag, but rather for roads and areas the enemy will come from as flag doesnt have any effect on them and this is the problem youre saying about hiding and seeking. If flag area is nice and handy, sure, they ill use it, but for the sole purpose of killing/disctracting the enemies.

Rushing will be more tactical and hard this way as youll have to fing good enemy approach lines, be prepared for everything, know the map and be fast *** hell not just drive to the flag because they will be there.

Short, you will have to kill/stall the enemies effectively before they get into the cap radius for your rushing maneuver to be most efficient. There, rushing reinvented.

I'm also thinking of situations where like for example on muttrah, your holding the South city flag which is neutral, but the MEC managed to capture docks. Now all the MEC would need to do is get two guys somewhere in the flag radius, hiding in a little ally way behind a crate and just cap the flag, regardless of all the USMC guys in the flag radius trying to prevent the MEC from retaking south city while the other squads work on taking back the docks.

[Arnoldio]

I'm also thinking of situations where like for example on muttrah, your holding the South city flag which is neutral, but the MEC managed to capture docks. Now all the MEC would need to do is get two guys somewhere in the flag radius, hiding in a little ally way behind a crate and just cap the flag, regardless of all the USMC guys in the flag radius trying to prevent the MEC from retaking south city while the other squads work on taking back the docks.

You got me all confused with those flags lol. Remember, we are talking about flags that are not in play for both teams at the same time, and IMO they should be taken as "open ground" with no objective for the other team. When the flags join so you have to defend yours while attack theirs and vice versa, the current capping option will be used, to prevent thing you said.

On flags in play, you want to keep current cap block when enemies are in to extend the firefights and ensure that area is cleared, as youve said in previous posts.

This would make battles more concentrated, also frontline would probably move more realistically.

[Rhino]

neither team at the moment can capture "flags that are not in play for both teams at the same time" as it is currently?

[Kain888]

Then maybe keep that flag capping disabled only for some time after round starts? Then you would be able to cap as now. It would solve rushing problem and would work in situations like Rhino described.

[Arnoldio]

Whait, what?

Lets say on every map there is 2 mainbase flags + 4 neutral flags to be capped (2 for each team in order until they meet).



MEC would rush docks at this moment, but currently, when USMC come, MEC will slow down the capping or even stop it if there is not enough USMC in the radius. Im asking for removal of MEC being able to interfere with the capping of flag they are not currently connected with just by hiding. Now yes, USMC could cap docks just by hiding somewhere but that is the MECs rush team problem by not finding them and killing them.

In perfect scenario, NC should be in US hands and CC in MEC hands. In this case current rules apply (enemy can stop capping)