Remove insta-kill headshots, or make body-shots insta-kill.

[BenHamish]

Hi guys, these suggestions are in reference to my thread here

I hope that i'm not alone in finding that being able to headshot someone for an instant kill makes you reluctant to aim for the centre of mass due to the reasons outlined in my link.

The solutions/suggestions that I have are:

# Remove the insta-kill headshot.
# Make body-shots kill in one, just like current headshots ( *my preference, it will make people fear getting shot).
# Remove the 'Medic' kit from a squad, and instead make it a Limited kit like the Sniper (I do like the sound of this, it might help increase teamplay and encourage people not to 'Lonewolf' their squad accross the map).

I'm not trying to piss on anyones chips, I hope you appreciate that. And I understand that from me (not a mod) this is pretty much academic. But I think Inf in PR are slightly too hard to kill, and for me it affects gameplay. I'm not a K:D whore, but unless you kill all 6 of the enemy squad you know that they will just revive and come back at you.

[Kain888]

Remove the insta-kill headshot.

This is something I would love to see in PR and have thought about that myself. Everyone aims for the head because of the damage multiplier and not for center of body as are soldiers trained for, which is really shame, because it feel unrealistic and arcadish. Damage should be the same as for body and body dmg should be slightly increased IMO.

I'm not fond of idea of one shot one kill with any weapon. It should be left for sniper rifles only.

[mockingbird0901]

I think it will destroy much of the game play, after all, its a game, meant to be fun.
Plus, if you kill 5 of them, they will still have 5 tickets less

[Kain888]

How curing headshot syndrome will destroy the game?

[Smiddey723]

Yea because shooting someone with body armour on with a 5.56 round in the chest would "insta - kill" them :/ And why on earth would 2 medics per team be fun at all, I can see it now the poor guys that dare to request that kit will get constantly yelled at for not being close to the squad that needs it

[Tarranauha200]

Maybe remove headshot, and add insta-kill for heavy weapons(50.cal). Sniper rifles would also insta-kill.

Little offtopic: Can you still kill peoples whit incendiary grenades when they are wounded?

[Smiddey723]

Little offtopic: Can you still kill peoples whit incendiary grenades when they are wounded?

Yes you can and this is a very good tactic which stops only the medic respawning and coming back to the squads position and reviving them all again

[BenHamish]

Just to clarify - By insta-kill I meant Insta-WOUND, i.e. currently you get a headshot it gives them 0% health, make it so for the torso.

Yea because shooting someone with body armour on with a 5.56 round in the chest would "insta - kill" them :/ And why on earth would 2 medics per team be fun at all, I can see it now the poor guys that dare to request that kit will get constantly yelled at for not being close to the squad that needs it

It was you that put an actual number on the amount of medics.. Chill out. And gameplay is more important than realism in PR, so you can get stuffed at having a go at me for suggesting that a body-shot should give 0% health. Besides which, if you got shot by 5.56 at 100m I doubt you would be sprinting for cover. But that is not my point.

[Kain888]

Well removing headshot multiplier will be better for either gameplay and realism.

[Smiddey723]

Just to clarify - By insta-kill I meant Insta-WOUND, i.e. currently you get a headshot it gives them 0% health, make it so for the torso.



It was you that put an actual number on the amount of medics.. Chill out. And gameplay is more important than realism in PR, so you can get stuffed at having a go at me for suggesting that a body-shot should give 0% health. Besides which, if you got shot by 5.56 at 100m I doubt you would be sprinting for cover. But that is not my point.

1. i wasnt having a go at you just saying my opinion

2. i never suggested that a body shot should give 0% damage

3. This guy got shot by a druganov 7.62x54 round at about 100m and still runs for cover

[BenHamish]

Hmm.. Interesting video. I'm glad the soldier is [relatively] ok, but it's ironic that if the sniper had missed he could have killed him (shot to the thigh, etc).

The fact that the PR guns are so inaccurate and weak encourages the headshot rather than the torso-shot. But by the looks of it that reflects real life - In real life i'm presuming you'd not aim for the body-armour either if that's all it does to the recipient.

[Smiddey723]

Hmm.. Interesting video. I'm glad the soldier is [relatively] ok, but it's ironic that if the sniper had missed he could have killed him (shot to the thigh, etc).

The fact that the PR guns are so inaccurate and weak encourages the headshot rather than the torso-shot. But by the looks of it that reflects real life - In real life i'm presuming you'd not aim for the body-armour either if that's all it does to the recipient.

The soilder had major bruising where the bullet impacted but nothing life threatening (which would mean he would have to be touched up by the medic for a few seconds in PR )

PR guns are very accurate when deviation is settled, and it depends on what gun you are using to whether they are weak or not

example: the G3 will take someone down in one shot the majority of the time as it uses the 7.62x51mm round which results in high recoil. where as on the other hand we have the 5.56 round which does alot less damage (normally 2-3 bullets to take someone down) if you hit them in the right places though (shoulders upwards) its normally a one shot kill.

this should help you compare weapons

[goguapsy]

Well I always aim for the head if I have time to aim.

In a more hairy situation, I just shoot the hell out of the guy.

[ComradeHX]

1. i wasnt having a go at you just saying my opinion

2. i never suggested that a body shot should give 0% damage

3. This guy got shot by a druganov 7.62x54 round at about 100m and still runs for cover

Underloaded ammunition does funny things.

I am not sure what a druganov is... is it made of cocaine?

[Spec]

I think headshots as a gameplay element are important. You should not be able to know how many rounds exactly it will take to kill you.

For example, it normally takes 3 5.56mm rounds to kill someone in PR. If you're unlucky though, the enemy hits your head and you're dead instantly. So even though it might take an average of 3 rounds to kill you, you never know for sure if the next shot will be your death. This risk should not be removed. And making every shot insta-kill is a bit over the top, too. There's body armor after all.

It should stay that way.

[splatters]

Headshots don't 'insta-kill' currently, you can still be revived. Only high caliber weapons kill you instantly.

But unlike body shots it takes only one headshot to make you combat ineffective (=wounded)
This feature is important in situations where you have the possibility to take a sure shot to the head and drop the guy with one shot instead of giving him time to move after the first shot. I don't think any reasonable player with a standard weapon aims for the head over longer distances than 100m

Even though I'm all for making the guns more lethal I don't think shots to the torso should be 1 shot 1 kill, because of the body armour used today and simply because it would probably be too 'hardcore' for most of the players even in PR.

[Smiddey723]

I am not sure what a druganov is... is it made of cocaine?

[Spec]

@Smiddey: He was referring to the spelling. Whoever posted the word first mixed up some letters. No big deal.

@splatters: We know about the insta-still-revivable-state instead of insta-death. Death is just quicker to write

[Smiddey723]

@Smiddey: He was referring to the spelling. Whoever posted the word first mixed up some letters. No big deal.

if hes going to be childish about that then thats his own problem

[Arnoldio]

This suggestion isnt good at all, sorry but really, its not retarded but you gave absolutely no thought in this and never used the realistic aspect...