The Project Reality World: Hypothetical Map

[SavageLycan]

Why is there an exploding star where Moscow is? lol. Typo?

Nope. That's meant to be Kozelsk. I did some research, and found out it's in Kaluga Oblast, right next to Moscow Oblast. So the militia are not just Chechen's I assume. I'm guessing they are people in general who do not approve of Russia's government or its involvement in the war.

[Grizzly]

Awesome map but man I would sure hate to live in that world.

[crot]

Dont know, just looks weird being in the capital.

[Cobhris]

The way I had imagined it (before the Russia v China map was made), Russia was simply a third member in the MEC-China alliance that had existed in BF2, which is where the MEC originally comes from. Saudi Arabia's pro-Western regime had collapsed and been replaced with one that took the country into the Iranian-led MEC (supported by the fact that Kubra Dam takes place in Saudi Arabia, meaning that either Saudi Arabia is in the MEC or occupied by MEC forces). The MEC and China would be initially allied with each other at the start of the war, with Russia playing a support role by supplying arms to the MEC. About 2 years or so into the war, with NATO troops bogged down in full-scale conflict in the Middle and Far East, Russia would seize the opportunity to restablish its old power bloc by launching an invasion of eastern Europe and pushing all the way to the Polish border. At that point, they would have to deal with the German-led NATO forces remaining on the European continent.

The militia conflicts I actually had three ideas for:
1) They take place before the war and the militia is an ultranationalist faction (ala CoD4)
2) They take place after the war and the militia is the remnants of the Russian regime from the war
3) They are completely unrelated to the war.

Yeah, I probably spend way too much time thinking of a geopolitical backstory for PR

[Excavus]

What a mess of alliances. Also why is there insurgents in Sudan? Wouldn't it be in Somalia because Ramiel is practically based off Mogadishu?

[WithoutPurpose]

I'm almost sure that Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kirgizstan, Turkmenistan would choose for Russia's side, though I know Kazakhstan would, Kirgizstan and Turkmenistan would maybe be neutral instead of joining Russia, 90% chance that Tadzjikistan would be on Iran's side I think (?), they're also Persians , but anyway, there would be not much to see from Tadzjikistan.

Mongolia is again more influenced by Russia, but would be neutral I suppose.

[SavageLycan]

What a mess of alliances. Also why is there insurgents in Sudan? Wouldn't it be in Somalia because Ramiel is practically based off Mogadishu?

There's been insurgents in Sudan for a while now over the issue of Darfur. Insurgents don't have to be mutually exclusive for countries. I didn't mark them in Somalia because not only do I have no idea what side they'd be on, but they're in a state of flux in terms of government anyway.

[lucky.BOY]

According to French Forces spread sheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... 5Wmc&gid=4

There is a map featuring French Assault into Lebanon, fighting against IDF. So IDF aint BLUFOR, but is fighting against NATO, MEC and Russia, its prety alone down there

[SavageLycan]

According to French Forces spread sheet French Forces Design Plan

There is a map featuring French Assault into Lebanon, fighting against IDF. So IDF aint BLUFOR, but is fighting against NATO, MEC and Russia, its prety alone down there

Ok, now I think it's pretty obvious people are just out to screw with our minds now and make this as impossible to understand as it could ever be. XD (lol j/k) Though with the way relations are going with Israel now, I guess it's not out of the realms of possibility.

[Herbiie]

India would more than likely be BluFor because they're still part of the British Commonwealth, which gives them a strong military link to the UK.

[SavageLycan]

India would more than likely be BluFor because they're still part of the British Commonwealth, which gives them a strong military link to the UK.

Yeah, but at the same time, they have very strong ties to Russia as well. That's where they've gotten a significant amount of their military hardware. They also have very close ties economically.

[Ts4EVER]

Little tidbit: The way I imagine the backstory for the beirut map is that a Russian penal batallion was sent there on a suicide mission to destroy the vital port

[SavageLycan]

Little tidbit: The way I imagine the backstory for the beirut map is that a Russian penal batallion was sent there on a suicide mission to destroy the vital port

Ha! I like that idea, but I can tell by the flags on the vehicles in the map that those guys are Russian Naval Infantry (marines). Those are hardened, elite troops, like the VDV (airborne forces). I think the Beirut map is more like a World in Conflict scenario; a sneak attack from a disguised cargo ship, trying to open up a new front to take pressure off the main front.

[Raic]

I don't see Finland or Sweden joining a major war, even against Russia very fast. They aren't a real threat to us, we have nothing for them to gain in resources or strategically as were positioned on the map in so weird way. On the other hand NATO would love to have us as allies and begin operation or two against Russia from here. Another possible event to join Finland or Sweden to war would be that after demanding them to join the war or allow NATO troops to pass trough, NATO simply goes in force, hoping both countries quickly back off and allow NATO to move troops around their borders. Ofc this goes bad and both countries retaliate. Somehow I find this more plausible to happen than Russia attacking Finland, especially if shes at war in many fronts. Would make no sense to waste resources to Fennoscandinavia when there is so little to gain strategically, Russia would rather keep them neutral.

[Ts4EVER]

One thing to consider is timeline. Perhaps the conflict with Brits and militia was before the global outbreak and somehow triggered Russian aggression (just an example). Anyhow, I somehow find this very fascinating. PR has a wiki, right? Would it be possible to open up a "history" or "background" section to the public that could be filled with fictional information? Perhaps even stuff like fake intelligence reports, news stories, diary entries, letters home etc.? Imagine the amount of win that could cause.

[Spec]

From all we know, the wiki will never be opened again

[Herbiie]

Yeah, but at the same time, they have very strong ties to Russia as well. That's where they've gotten a significant amount of their military hardware. They also have very close ties economically.

Yet they share the same monarch as us which counts for quite a bit There are also many people of Indian & Pakistani descendants living in the UK. Also they still have strong trade links with us, lots of our materials are made in india.

[SavageLycan]

Yet they share the same monarch as us which counts for quite a bit There are also many people of Indian & Pakistani descendants living in the UK. Also they still have strong trade links with us, lots of our materials are made in india.

Wuh? As far as I know, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II does not hold the title "Queen of India" in her list of 16 different "head of state" titles she has. It could really go any number of ways for India. I think whatever happens in Pakistan would be a deciding factor towards what faction India would join.

One thing to consider is timeline. Perhaps the conflict with Brits and militia was before the global outbreak and somehow triggered Russian aggression (just an example). Anyhow, I somehow find this very fascinating. PR has a wiki, right? Would it be possible to open up a "history" or "background" section to the public that could be filled with fictional information? Perhaps even stuff like fake intelligence reports, news stories, diary entries, letters home etc.? Imagine the amount of win that could cause.

That's definitely a possibility regarding the timeline. All of the battles in PR might be taking place at different periods. The insurgencies and so on may be in a period before conventional warfare broke out between the major factions. As for the wiki... well, yeah, I'd like that too. Buuuuuut, I don't think its coming back anytime soon. Ha.

[Nax]

The following is a series of 'events' that I had always thought about when it came to how the PR universe is. It is of course accepted that there is no universe, and the devs make maps for the pure enjoyment of making maps, with the majority of them not having a major back story. However, I thought up this imaginary universe purely for my own enjoyment and that of my old clanmates who had this discussion a while back.

Unfortunately, I didn't save any of my work from way back when, so I'll try to remake maps/recall events to the best of my memory. In addition, I will try to fit in the many recent additions of factions and maps from the past few patches.

The events start being based on real-life dates, and then slowly diverge more and more from our own universe, culminating with full-blown war between many of the major powers.

2001 - Invasion of Afghanistan. Not too much back-story needed for that. NATO forces, including Germany, The United States, and Great Britain, engage in counter-insurgency warfare to topple the Taliban's hold on the region. Maps include Korengal, Lakshar, etc.

2003 - Invasion of Iraq. Iraqi forces are shattered in days, but a insurgents force NATO forces to engage in a lengthy counter-insurgency. Maps include Karbala, Al Basrah, Fallujah, etc.

2008 - March; The Georgian regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia become a center of military action as Russia, Georgia, and Abkhazian separatists build up forces in the region in anticipation of a military conflict. Russia ends economic relations with Georgia and removes itself from the Commonwealth of Independent State's economic plans.

2008 - August; Russian forces invade South Ossetia in an attempt to install a new Ossetic separatist government. The following conflict is brief and ends with a Russian victory.

2008 - September; Ethnic Georgians begin a resistance movement in South Ossetia. Russia fires back a large-scale military action. Russian forces frequently cross into Georgian territory, but the Georgians do not declare war in an attempt to avoid a rerun of their losses the previous month. Maps include Kozelsk and other Russian v Militia maps.

2008 - December; While the insurgency grinds to a halt in South Ossetia, a de-facto government succeeds in establishing itself in the region of Abkhazia. The newfound state breaks its ties with both Russia and Georgia, with the recent counter-insurgency effort in Ossetia largely angering the Ethnic Abkhazians. The unrecognized government immediately seeks aid from many terrorist organizations in an attempt to arm and train itself.

2008 - December; Israeli forces invade the Gaza Strip in Operation Cast Lead in an attempt to end the many terrorist rocket attacks from the region. The invasion sparks violence across the region as Palestinians fight Israeli rule. Map from this attack is Gaza.
2009 - January; NATO intelligence reports that Abkhazian rebels are quickly arming themselves. Ties are quickly made between them and Al-Qaeda, as well as many members from the former Chechen conflict.

2009 - January; In a bid to take out any possible threat, and with permission from the Georgian government, a British expeditionary force lands in the port city of Poti. During the new Operation Raindrop, British forces quickly sweep north to Ochamchira, then west to Mestia. The conflict concludes with the capture of key Abkhazian leaders and the destruction of many tons of insurgent munitions. Maps include Fool's Road, Seige at Ochamchira, and all the other Militia v GB maps.

2009 - February; IDF forces begin to skirmish with Lebanese forces along the Lebanese-Israeli border. While it is unclear who begin the conflict first, the IDF is the clear victor when they successfully occupy the city of Beirut.

So ends the first chapter of my PR history. This pretty much covers all of the insurgent / militia maps. Next up is the beginning of the Manchurian Conflict and the first steps to a world war. I'll post an update later I suppose.

http://i51.tinypic.com/d5y7d.png

Also, I made a quick map. Arrows show major offensives/military operations as described in the events. Blue = Blufor, Red = Opfor. The many members of Blufor are not necessarily allies (although it does include NATO), but are simply fighting a common enemy (hence the inclusion of nations like Russia. Their invasion of Georgia gave them a bad name on the political field, sure, but they were caught up in a Counter-Insurgency like the rest of the world). Opfor includes Taliban, Hamas, Militia, Insurgents, etc.

And yes, there is a typo in the picture. =D

Also, to answer some things mentioned earlier in the thread; Kashan is based off a location in, iirc, Sudan or Saudi Arabia. It was based off a google earth view of a power plant. Muttrah City is very much a real city =D

[Doc.Pock]

niiiiiice
love u Rhino for this