Desert Texture Quality

[ShockUnitBlack]

I can't tell you how much I hate pulling a "FH2 hazor cool stuff. We needzor cool stuff too" thread like this, but here it is anyway.

Forgotten Hope 2 has excellent desert textures in comparison to those of Project Reality (or BF2, I think we use BF2 textures) - they blend nicely and so don't make maps appear to be composed out of identical 20 by 20 meter sand dunes. Here's the evidence (Atticus Finch would be proud);

All screenshots are taken at high (maximum) texture detail with 16x anisotropic filtering forced through CCC.

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Taken from Al Basrah.

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Taken from the central ridge on Kashan.

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Lashkar Valley; not a desert but the texture is similar enough.

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Kashan taken from a Black Hawk - note obvious texture repetitions.

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Again, Kashan from a Black Hawk.

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Same textures as seen from the Black Hawk, except from the ground.

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Same texture, different angle.

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vBF2 image taken from the map "Operation Smoke Screen" for comparison purposes.

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vBF2 image taken from the map "Highway Tampa." The map has a extremely yellow hue about it.

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vBF2 image taken from the map "Highway Tampa" for comparison. Heavy fog prevents a good shot.

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vBF2 image from the map "Strike at Karkand," used for reasons of comparison.

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Forgotten Hope 2, looking on from a ridge on the map "El Alamein." Note the well-blended textures at range, then contrast with the pictures of Kashan from the Black Hawk.

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Forgotten Hope 2; the same texture as in the above screen.

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Forgotten Hope 2; a less orange texture than featured above. Well blended again - note the lack of rock or other non-sand textures.

Well, there you are. I believe it is clear that the Forgotten Hope 2 textures are significantly superior to those of PR and vBF2, especially when viewed from a distance. Of course, this is a suggestion, and so I would like to suggest that we develop a new set of desert textures for use (NOT borrow the FH2 textures, that is), with a higher resolution and better blending properties (whatever you want to call it). As I think the images show, such a new texture set would be a huge boon for the visual quality of Project Reality with a price tag of only a few man-hours. Also, I believe, considering the simplicity of such a project, the community would be easily capable of handling it so that our devs can focus elsewhere. Anybody in?

No previous suggestions regarding this were found, and I apologize if I have broken any image rules in this post.

[Wh33lman]

you know, i kinda have to agree. for a mod that prides itself on its realistic looking weapons and vehicles, the ground really does look awful. i thought it was just because i had my textures set to low.

[ShockUnitBlack]

Sorry I didn't include the images in the OP. I broke the image size rule and didn't want to take another hour or so to resize everything again.

[Rhino]

it looks like FH2 actually uses mostly vBF2 textures, all the textures you posted in your screens above look like vBF2 ones, although there low detail texture is probably new.

The big difference is really how FH2 uses there textures to how most of PRs maps use theirs, with having the texture more tiled and using more appropriate textures to the environment.

The big problem how ever with having a detail texture being tiled more, or as you suggest "increase its resolution" is that for starters this has a pretty large performance impact and with PR being like it is with many people already having FPS problems, the last thing we really need to be doing is taking a few more FPS off
Also another problem with tiling a detail texture too much is with repetitiveness of the texture itself where the more you tile something the more obvious the repetitiveness is.

Although I do agree that many mappers do need to use there ground textures better and really make the most of there terrain, Op Archer has really horrible pixely terrain which is hardly worth looking at, but as a result of having this low tiled detail texture it dose have a large view distance which I doubt would be possible with a normal tile setting.

[Spec]

Stop staring at the ground

I mean, high quality textures are great and all, but the ground is... well, not very important, considering even good systems already struggle with PR, as Rhino said.

[Dev1200]

Haven't really played much attention to the ground. TBH I'd rather have higher view distance than "Cool" ground

[ComradeHX]

The second I look downward I see an even bigger problem: I have no body/legs/feet!!!

Ground texture is not our primary concern, I am sure.

[karambaitos]

the mappers should make their ground textures similar to the camo so it actually works,
to me the el alamein textures looked blurrier than the ones on kashan.

[killonsight95]

veiw distance > ground detail

imo anyway, i'd love to see better detail.... i'm waiting on PR:ArmA2

[sylent/shooter]

veiw distance > ground detail

imo anyway, i'd love to see better detail.... i'm waiting on PR:ArmA2

There has to be a sort of state that the view distance can equal increase in ground detail without it impacting performance or the play of the map very much... would be interesting to look into. I mean, if we can tweak it so it looks just a little more realistic at the cost of say 50 feet view distance that wouldn't be to bad on systems and would probably make a few more people happy

[Mora]

Also PR has a lot of 4km maps where the textures are being stretched a lot more. You would see that on a 1km map the textures are a lot less pixelated.

Also there is now a texture fix that makes the textures and hills look much sharper, especially in the distance.

[Redamare]

that is interesting . . . so FH2 is using our stuff and . .. they won Mod of the year interesting very very interesting .. . but hey its fine . . i say we should use a bunch of their stuff ahah get back at them lolol

[Foxxy]

Also PR has a lot of 4km maps where the textures are being stretched a lot more. You would see that on a 1km map the textures are a lot less pixelated.

Also there is now a texture fix that makes the textures and hills look much sharper, especially in the distance.

Where can i get this fix??

[azreal64]

that is interesting . . . so FH2 is using our stuff and . .. they won Mod of the year interesting very very interesting .. . but hey its fine . . i say we should use a bunch of their stuff ahah get back at them lolol

where was it stated that we are using content from PR?

[torenico]

i say we should use a bunch of their stuff ahah get back at them lolol

Already done, the Enfield No4 you see in PR was actually made by FH2

[Pvt.LHeureux]

that is interesting . . . so FH2 is using our stuff and . .. they won Mod of the year interesting very very interesting .. . but hey its fine . . i say we should use a bunch of their stuff ahah get back at them lolol

wait..what?

Btw the map in FH2 show some really beautiful places :

[Dunehunter]

that is interesting . . . so FH2 is using our stuff and . .. they won Mod of the year interesting very very interesting .. . but hey its fine . . i say we should use a bunch of their stuff ahah get back at them lolol

Your reading comprehension, you might want to work on it.

[Ts4EVER]

FH2 desert maps use vanilla BF2 textures and in some cases statics. However, all textures for Normandy are custom and it is forbidden to use vanilla assets (this way less texture sheets get loaded up or something).

[Outlawz7]

Also PR has a lot of 4km maps where the textures are being stretched a lot more. You would see that on a 1km map the textures are a lot less pixelated.

It's called scale.

Also you've missed out Fallujah West, the ground texture tiling there is better.

[Hotrod525]

i'm not a texturer ( ? ) but yeah something the ground look like a piece of sh!t Of course i dont blame the R-Dev, since i'm not even capable of doing 0.001% of what they do ( even just start PR is sometime complicated xD LOL just kiddin ) Lets sit and wait... im quite sure they are well aware of it =)